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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 15:38:12 +0100, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-04-03 09:49, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> On Mon, 03 Apr 2017 04:53:56 +0100, Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/02/2017 02:12 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>>> That reminds me of the "South Park" show where the (young) workers at a
>>>>> cigarette factory were saying "You might get cancer when you're 80 but
>>>>> who the hell wants to be 90 anyway". Not the way you'd feel when you're
>>>>> 80 already.
>>>>
>>>> A short happy life is better than a long dull one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have not yet shown anything "happy" about a stinky fire hazard that
>>> causes cancer.
>>
>> CAN cause cancer, at the choice of the smoker, who is clearly enjoying the immediate effects of it.  It's why they smoke.
>
> Actually, the most common smoking-caused death is by heart attack.
> Anecdote:
> A doc I knew did some professional brush-up at the Mayo Clinic's cardiac
> unit in Chicago. This was about 35 years ago. He told me that if the
> incoming patient was under 50, the intern/resident never asked "Do you
> smoke?" They always asked "How much do you smoke?." The three weeks my
> acquaintance was there, no patient claimed they didn't smoke.

Odd, I thought it was the lungs it damaged.

>>> Also, I have been in a cancer treatment facility, and many of the
>>> patients had lung cancer. Some of them had to breathe through holes in
>>> their throats. Most of these people were not that old.
>>
>> You see the few with problems, most don't have problems.  Anyway it was THEIR choice.
>
> _You_ see "the few". But you're only 41, you haven't lived long enough
> to see most of them.

Actually my work involves meeting a lot of elderly people.  Sure, they have problems, but not smoking-related ones.  Mostly it's dodgy joints.

> Most smokers have health problems. Heart attacks.
> Cancers (NB plural). COPD. Vascular problems, especially in the
> extremities. leading to nerve damage. Stroke. Impotence. Etc. The fact
> is, smoking does shorten life, and reduces the fun, too. And once you're
> addicted, "choice" is no longer the right word.

Addiction is all in the mind.  My colleague stopped smoking in the course of ONE WEEK when he had a child and his wife insisted they didn't have money for both.

> FTR, I quit smoking 44 years ago. It took me three tries over four
> years. I finally quite when I realised that (at today's prices here) I
> was spending over $300 a month on it.

Then grow your own.  Tobacco is a plant isn't it?

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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-08 16:04 +0100
  Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-08 11:52 -0400
    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-08 17:36 +0100
      Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-08 16:15 -0400
        Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-08 21:36 +0100
          Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-08 15:00 -0700
            Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-08 23:18 +0100

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