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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution

From	"James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution
Date	2017-04-06 16:38 +0100
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On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 16:24:31 +0100, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> On 2017-04-06 11:06, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 16:01:08 +0100, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-04-06 10:18, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 05 Apr 2017 15:15:47 +0100, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-04-04 14:23, Sam E wrote:
>>>>>> On 04/03/2017 04:12 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe its invisible (but not pink :-))
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can think of no reference to pink apart from
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/2x8D4T--0v4 and I'm not sure how that's relevant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I referred to pink. You might notice that "invisible" and "pink" are
>>>>>> both optical properties, and are incompatible. A pink thing reflects all
>>>>>> colors of light, but more red than the others. An invisible thing
>>>>>> doesn't reflect light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, as in "invisible pink unicorn" which is impossible not just improbable.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Invisible" is ambiguous: a)"not visible because of available light"; or
>>>>> b) "not visible because imaginary or hallucinatory". Your example
>>>>> conflates those two meanings, which it nonsensical.
>>>>
>>>> No, only a) is correct.  God isn't invisible, he just doesn't exist.  Invisible requires that the thing is there but cannot be detected with the naked eye/telescope/camera/whatever.
>>>
>>> The meaning(s) of words do not depend on the reality/existence of the
>>> purported referent(s). Ayers, Wittgenstein, George Steiner et al give
>>> logical and philosophical reasons. Psycholinguists such as Pinker give
>>> the psychological and social reasons. Whether god (or any other entity)
>>> exists or not is irrelevant to what "invisible" means.
>>>
>>> To hold only a) as "correct" implies an essentialist stance about the
>>> meanings of words, aka "words have real meanings". They don't. Ask any
>>> lexicographer.
>>>
>>> BTW, Ayers believed that fictions are nonsense, in the sense that they
>>> are neither true nor false. But they can be understood: if they could
>>> not be understood, you couldn't tell they were fictions, in which case
>>> you couldn't tell they were nonsense.
>>
>> The meaning is quite clear, the thing exists, but cannot be detected:
>> http://www.dictionary.com/browse/invisible
>
> The converse is: If it can't be detected, it doesn't exist. But you can
> detect invisible things, by touch, or smell, or sound, for example. This
> observation implies that "visible" is a subset of "detectable".

Yes, to do with VISIBLE light.  Although in slang form it includes being able to see it with a radar.

> However, people are quite happy to concede that they can't see their
> god, but insist that it exists.

In which case he's invisible.  But to an atheist he isn't invisible, he's non-existant.

> Many of them like to see images of their
> god, which complicates the meaning of in/visible quite a bit. :-)

Is an oasis that isn't really there visible?

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Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-05 10:15 -0400
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-05 12:27 -0500
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 10:33 -0700
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-05 22:10 -0400
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:21 -0700
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-05 22:42 -0400
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-05 19:50 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-06 10:04 -0400
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-05 23:07 -0500
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-06 10:27 -0400
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-06 15:44 +0100
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-06 10:52 -0700
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-06 15:31 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-06 16:43 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-06 20:08 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-07 08:17 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-07 21:43 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-08 08:53 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-08 12:20 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-08 14:42 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-08 15:45 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-08 19:54 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-08 16:59 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-08 17:04 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-08 17:11 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-08 17:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-08 17:22 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-08 17:25 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-09 12:14 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-08 17:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-08 17:37 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-09 08:27 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-04-09 15:28 +0000
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Mark Lloyd <not@mail.invalid> - 2017-04-08 21:30 -0500
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2017-04-08 19:44 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ron C <r.capik@verizon.net> - 2017-04-08 23:16 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-09 12:02 -0400
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-09 09:31 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-09 19:34 +0100
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2017-04-07 00:34 -0500
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-09 19:34 +0100
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Sam E <why.should.this@be.email.invalid> - 2017-04-06 12:09 -0500
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-06 10:55 -0700
              Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-06 11:53 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-06 16:45 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-06 17:37 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-07 08:12 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-04-07 08:41 -0700
                Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2017-04-07 11:51 -0700
            Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-06 15:32 -0400
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-06 15:18 +0100
  Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-06 15:18 +0100
    Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-06 11:01 -0400
      Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-06 16:06 +0100
        Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-04-06 11:24 -0400
          Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-04-06 16:38 +0100

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