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Re: Is JFS really open source?

From "A.D. Fundum" <what.ever@neverm.ind>
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Subject Re: Is JFS really open source?
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Date 2011-04-11 04:16 +0200

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 > then it falls under the default copyright, not public domain

Now I do understand the Berne-part. If there ever was something that 
doesn't exist, it's international law. Despite the matching "experts" 
on tv... :-o

Anyway, didn't I use quotes there, surrounding my as-if "public 
domain"? Whatever that domain may be. If I forgot the quotes: excuse 
me, it's as (c) as the well-known song Happy Birthday. WIth a somehow 
relevant, public domain-related. resource, albeit it again is aimed at
the US: http://www.unhappybirthday.com.

There's a huge difference between (c) and GPL. It isn't the same at 
all. I can remove the GPL from a package, due to its language indeed. 
A.o. What's remains, for everybody, are the regular (c) laws and 
rules. But, IIRC, this started with something being GPLed (and 
Mensys). Not something being (c). You may respect a GPL, you must 
respect (c). Nevertheless it isn't the same. In the end a GPL always 
is bogus. Or bogusable, at least. Unlike (c). So a thing called a GPL,
we're talking about, shouldn't be a problem. GPLed, CURSed, JINXed, 
whatever. Only the (c) really, really counts. And if it's GPLed for 
you, in English, it's not GPLed for me. So what's the problem?

I did mention that Mensys has more obligations than a private person, 
but that's because the're considered to be professionals. But that 
doesn't mean a translated (removing language issues) GPL is suddenly 
valid. They just cannot just claim they didn't know, assuming they did
receive an original package with some file called LICENSE in it.

I'm not going to join a thread-drift towards (c)-related issues. Nor 
am I going to address an issue of equal rights. I simplytadded that 
such a GPL is bogus. Not to mentioned a third-party one (as in 
"Anything written using Microsoft's (tm) NOTEPAD.EXE ((c) 1980) should
be compliant with Microsoft's (tm) additional, strange conditions and 
terms."). Hence thinking about a GPLed status possibly is a waist of 
time, perhaps delaying (you and) developments without any need. One 
may, of course, respect such a GPL, but one must respect (c).

BTW, albeit nobody questioned it: I know Mensys used my software for 
their website-related payment system, and they paid me (with a gift) 
without having such an obligation. So I guess they may respect a GPL, 
even if they don't have to. Unfortunately their gift contained loads 
of software, so I'm still trying to find out who/what owns each 
file... Is unhappygift.com still available? :-)


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