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Re: Communism ????

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On 2026-06-20 05:50, c186282 wrote:
> On 6/19/26 05:51, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>> {Note Followups-To} ==== means ====> do not post on comp.os.linux.misc
>>
>> On 2026-06-19 06:46, Lars Poulsen wrote:
>>> On 2026-06-18 11:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>> On 2026-06-18, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> [snipped]
>>>>> So, we need some sort of communism for the future >:-)
>>>>
>>>> Why go from one extreme to the other?  Perhaps there's
>>>> a middle ground - a non-fanatical form of capitalism,
>>>> perhaps.  It will take some adjustment, though - ever
>>>> since the 1980s, when greed became re-defined as a virtue,
>>>> things have been going downhill.
>>>
>>> There are places with a less fanatical capitalism, such as Canada and 
>>> the Nordic countries. They seem to do quite well for most of the 
>>> people living there.
>>
>> None of the existing political systems can cope with an economy in 
>> which most of the work is done by robots and AIs. Nobody works, nobody 
>> has money to buy the things or products that the robot factories grow 
>> or make.
> 
>    As said, that's the Big Flaw in The Plan. No workers,
>    no money, nobody can buy yer AI-cheapened stuff.
> 
>> Economy would have to stop being based on work.
> 
>    Not sure that's possible - certainly not in any
>    short term. Money is awarded for DOING STUFF seen
>    as valuable. Requires EFFORT and SKILL. "AI" steals
>    those skills and doesn't give a shit (so far) about
>    the effort.
> 
>> For example, in the SciFi Expanse universe, people on Earth live on 
>> the Basic, an universal income. The fortunate have a job. People 
>> migrate outworld to find jobs.
> 
>    Even that 'basic income' has to come from SOMETHING.

Taxes on robot factories. China is already doing this.

> 
>    If almost all humans are replaced, then WHERE ? Will
>    the "AI"s just 'print money' ??? What will/can you
>    buy with it ?
> 
>    Note the AI influence won't just be in the USA ... it
>    will displace billions EVERYWHERE, eventually ALL the
>    billions once the androids are better. Sure, they can
>    do everything, but some economic balance, impetus, is
>    still required.
> 
>    What happens if that no longer exists ?
> 
>    SOUNDS like the "communist utopia" Marx and well beyond
>    were trying to sell. In reality it was a horrible grey
>    hopeless existence. Now we have neo-Marxists, selling
>    the same bullshit.
> 
>    In THEORY a 'robotopia' can exist - but I fear it's
>    one of those "Can't really GET there from here" things.
>    Many little realities in the way. If even possible it
>    would have to grow, entwine, very slowly. Industry
>    and Govt want AI *RIGHT NOW* for everything.
> 
>    And, of course, eventually the AIs will invent better
>    things to do than just "serving" .... they will become
>    god-like, we will become irrelevant (at best), just
>    another kind of cockroach. How many can jump back to the
>    hunter-gatherer thing these days on short notice ?
> 
>    Ah ... see my next post ... analysis/evidence sez that
>    using AI tools ROTS the human skill set  :-)
> 


-- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E.R.
        ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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Communism ???? Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-06-18 21:46 -0700
  Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 05:59 +0000
    Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 02:51 -0400
  Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 11:51 +0200
    Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 17:50 +0000
      Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-19 22:33 +0200
        Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 22:34 +0000
          Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-20 01:08 +0200
    Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-19 23:50 -0400
      Re: Communism ???? "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-20 08:54 +0200
        Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 03:25 -0400
  Re: Communism ???? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-06-19 13:25 +0100
    Re: Communism ???? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-06-19 16:41 +0000
      Re: Communism ???? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-06-19 18:22 +0000
    Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:48 -0400
  Re: Communism ???? c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-06-20 01:08 -0400

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