Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list

Date	2013-07-03 12:01 +0200
From	Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be>
Subject	Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list
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Op 02-07-13 15:40, Joshua Landau schreef:
> On 2 July 2013 13:01, Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> wrote:
>> Op 02-07-13 11:34, Joshua Landau schreef:
>>
>>> No it does not. I'd give you more of a counter but I actually have no
>>> idea how you came up with that.
>> Please answer the following question. If someone behaved incompetently,
>> how can I clearly state that fact when "incompetently" is seen as an
>> insult and insults don't belong on the list?
> There is not ever a place on this list where you will need to call
> someone incompetent. You can explain to someone that they do not
> understand what they are doing, but when you attack the character of
> the person it is no longer acceptable.
This is not an attack of character. Level of skill/competence is
not in general seen as a character trait. It is something one can
generally increase if one is willing to work on it, and once
you acquired it, you don't have to keep your guard for situations
in which you might loose it.

 

>>>> But for your ease of mind I'll make it clear I have no intention
>>>> of haunting Nikos or of keeping him the subject of discussion.
>>>> But should I stumble on a conversation in which his past behaviour
>>>> is framed as him being innocentltly asking questions, I will point
>>>> of what bullshit that is.
>>> Fair enough. If that's all you did in this thread, then I wouldn't care.
>>>
>>> But once again you seem to have missed the point that I and others
>>> keep reiterating: pseudo-insults have no place on this list.
>>>
>>>
>>> (If you need a reminder, pseudo-insults are just what other people
>>> term "insults". You can change the name if you see fit.)
>> So what are the non-insulting terms for
>>
>> incompentent, (starting a webservice in a language you're a newby in,
>> making changes on the life server so that any typo you make, can take
>> your site out the air),
> You just did it.

But how do I describe this in one word? What conclusion am I allowed
to make from all this?

Can I say: He displayed a pattern of incompetence? He has been blundering
about? His skill level was unimpressive? The skill level he displayed,
left much to be desired?
 

>> inconsiderate (behave annoyingly in multiple ways and despite poeple pointing
>> it out multiple times, mostly continue in the same manner, without taking
>> their remarks into account) and
> I do not tend to consider "inconsiderate" inappropriate if said in
> earnest, as it is defensive. I'd still rather you talked about actions
> as inconsiderate rather than people, but baby steps.

I don't understand this, since (in)consideration is in general seen as
a character trait. On that basis I think you have it exactly backwards
when you consider "incompetent" an attack of character yet seem to
have little problem with "inconsiderate". Yet people who have a more
inconsiderate character can't work on acquiring consideration, as one
can on acquiring skill/competence. Sure one can work on it, but it is
something you have to keep watchful for. Otherwise you can easily slip
again into a pattern of being/behaving inconsiderate. 


>> jerk (trying to spin your inconsiderate behaviour as you being the victim,
>> misrepresenting your behaviour when it is being discussed, always "explaining"
>> your behaviour, as if an explanation would make a difference to the annoyance
>> you caused to others...)
> You came close.

Same question as two entries above.

>
>
> But, since Nikos has thankfully ceased, I'm saying here that unless
> you have good reasons otherwise I'd rather only continue this
> off-list. If you reply on-list without justification I will likely not
> reply.
>
Since others have in the mean time responded in this thread, I didn't think
it a good idea, to have this part in private.

-- 
Antoon Pardon

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Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-06-29 18:00 +0100
  Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-30 20:24 +0300
    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 20:58 +0100
      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-06-30 23:14 +0300
        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 21:36 +0100
        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 08:23 +0200
          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 10:52 +0300
            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 10:54 +0200
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 12:05 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 11:32 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 12:37 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 14:28 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 16:22 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 12:44 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 10:31 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 12:46 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 14:44 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 11:07 +0100
            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 12:43 +0000
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 15:08 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 15:33 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 21:18 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 23:14 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 20:32 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 09:25 +0200
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 16:28 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Andrew Berg <robotsondrugs@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 08:45 -0500
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 15:34 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 08:49 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 17:56 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 20:15 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 18:26 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 11:29 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 20:16 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 12:29 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 21:12 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 20:28 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 09:22 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 10:34 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 14:01 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 14:40 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 06:48 -0700
                OT Plague [was Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list] Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 02:37 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-07-03 08:34 +1000
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                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-03 11:21 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 10:11 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-04 14:09 +0200
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                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 16:21 +0100
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                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 11:08 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 18:29 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 12:18 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-04 03:08 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-07-04 10:53 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Oscar Benjamin <oscar.j.benjamin@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 02:08 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 20:07 -0700
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                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-04 08:57 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list feedthetroll@gmx.de - 2013-07-04 01:50 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-05 15:42 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:44 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 18:36 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 01:44 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 19:47 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 02:53 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 20:07 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 03:23 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 20:50 +0300
                Fwd: Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-04 13:06 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steve Simmons <square.steve@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 17:42 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-03 20:10 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 05:31 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:37 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-03 12:04 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 00:18 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-02 18:21 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:12 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rurpy@yahoo.com - 2013-07-03 18:56 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-04 00:40 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-04 13:19 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-05 02:58 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2013-07-03 10:36 +1000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-03 01:51 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-03 12:01 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 19:27 +0300
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 19:36 +0300
    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 22:57 +0100
    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2013-06-30 23:13 +0100
    Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 08:37 +0200
      Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 10:55 +0300
        Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 10:56 +0200
          Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-07-01 14:01 +0000
            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 08:00 -0700
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2013-07-01 15:06 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 21:34 -0700
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 06:32 +0100
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-02 07:14 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2013-07-02 18:59 -0400
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Walter Hurry <walterhurry@lavabit.com> - 2013-07-02 19:06 +0000
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Νίκος <nikos@superhost.gr> - 2013-07-01 19:33 +0300
            Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-01 20:42 +0200
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-01 22:12 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 09:55 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 17:59 +1000
              Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-01 23:17 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Antoon Pardon <antoon.pardon@rece.vub.ac.be> - 2013-07-02 08:54 +0200
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 01:43 -0600
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                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Denis McMahon <denismfmcmahon@gmail.com> - 2013-07-02 12:53 +0000
                Re: python adds an extra half space when reading from a string or list Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-07-03 00:22 +0000

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