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On 11/05/2015 16:48, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:11 AM, zipher <dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I also bought the idea of everything as an object, it has a unbeatable purity to it.  But we won't ever get to the point were OOP is like the purity of math because the greatest utility of OOP is working with real-world data.  And that real-world puts bounds on the otherwise abstract purity in which a language is theoretically capable.
>
> Did someone here say it would? Sure, OOP isn't as pure as math, but
> most object-oriented languages aren't pure OO languages, either.
> (Maybe Smalltalk?) In Python, when you want to manipulate bazillions
> of numbers, you use numpy, pandas, etc. In C++, you code in the C
> subset it (still) contains when you don't want objects.
>
> The practicality side of things suggests that even though
> everything-is-an-object isn't perfect, it may be good enough.
> People/projects/companies generally can't afford to follow every
> change that blows through their environment. That's why (for example),
> COBOL lasted so long. In fact, I suspect you could still make a good
> living writing COBOL, if you really wanted to. (Searching indeed.com
> for "COBOL" in Chicago, IL gave me 81 hits.)
>
> Python was never meant to be "pure". It has, by Guido's own admission,
> borrowed ideas from many other languages. Very little in Python is
> truly new, certainly not its object model. At the user level
> everything appears to be an object, but not everything is under the
> covers (e.g., numeric elements of array objects).
>
> Skip
>

Are you aware that you're attempting to communicate with a known troll 
who thankfully has been absent for some years?

-- 
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.

Mark Lawrence

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Re: anomaly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-11 01:19 +0100
  Re: anomaly zipher <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-05-10 17:57 -0700
    Re: anomaly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-11 16:11 +1000
      Re: anomaly zipher <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 07:23 -0700
        Re: anomaly Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:45 -0500
          Re: anomaly zipher <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 08:11 -0700
            Re: anomaly Skip Montanaro <skip.montanaro@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 10:48 -0500
              Re: anomaly zipher <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 09:43 -0700
                Re: anomaly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-12 11:59 +1000
            Re: anomaly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-11 17:12 +0100
          Re: anomaly Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-11 15:34 +0000
            Re: anomaly zipher <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-05-11 08:39 -0700
              Re: anomaly alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2015-05-12 15:02 +1000
                Re: anomaly Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-05-12 12:56 +0100
                Re: anomaly Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-05-12 15:36 +0000
            Re: anomaly Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2015-05-11 15:36 -0700
        Re: anomaly Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-05-12 01:55 +1000
    Re: anomaly lorenzo.gatti@gmail.com - 2015-05-11 00:16 -0700

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