Re: n00b question on spacing

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Date	2013-06-23 09:37 +1000
Subject	Re: n00b question on spacing
From	Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
Message-ID	<mailman.3714.1371944261.3114.python-list@python.org> (permalink)

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On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> wrote:
> On 06/22/2013 07:12 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 1:24 AM, Rick Johnson
>> <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>    _fmtstr = "Item wrote to MongoDB database {0}, {1}"
>>>    msg = _fmtstr.format(_arg1, _arg2)
>>
>>
>> As a general rule, I don't like separating format strings and their
>> arguments. That's one of the more annoying costs of i18n. Keep them in
>> a single expression if you possibly can.
>>
>
> On the contrary, i18n should be done with config files.  The format string
> is the key to the actual string which is located in the file/dict.
> Otherwise you're shipping separate source files for each language -- blecch.

The simplest way to translate is to localize the format string; that's
the point of .format()'s named argument system (since it lets you
localize in a way that reorders the placeholders). What that does is
it puts the format string away in a config file, while the replaceable
parts are here in the source. That's why I say that's a cost of i18n -
it's a penalty that has to be paid in order to move text strings away.

> The program that's intended to be internationalized is written using
> "programmereze" strings.  That's a strange inhuman language that's only
> approximately comprehensible by the developer and close associates. Then
> that gets translated into a bunch of language-specific config files, with
> English probably being one of them.

Heh. That's one way of looking at it... I don't really know what
language we speak; at what point is it deemed a separate dialect, and
at what point a unique language? Hmmm.

ChrisA

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Re: n00b question on spacing Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-06-22 14:36 +0100
  Re: n00b question on spacing Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-06-22 08:24 -0700
    Re: n00b question on spacing Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-06-22 16:40 +0100
      Re: n00b question on spacing Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-06-22 08:55 -0700
        Re: n00b question on spacing Joshua Landau <joshua.landau.ws@gmail.com> - 2013-06-22 17:11 +0100
    Re: n00b question on spacing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 09:12 +1000
      Re: n00b question on spacing Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-06-22 17:48 -0700
        Re: n00b question on spacing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 12:26 +1000
    Re: n00b question on spacing Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-22 19:28 -0400
    Re: n00b question on spacing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 09:37 +1000
    Re: n00b question on spacing Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-22 19:56 -0400
    Re: n00b question on spacing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 10:27 +1000
    Re: n00b question on spacing Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-22 20:46 -0400
    Re: n00b question on spacing MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2013-06-23 02:20 +0100
      Re: n00b question on spacing Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-23 02:58 +0000
        Re: n00b question on spacing Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-22 23:12 -0400
          Re: n00b question on spacing Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2013-06-23 03:22 +0000
            Re: n00b question on spacing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 13:36 +1000
            Re: n00b question on spacing Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-23 09:43 -0400
        Re: n00b question on spacing Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-23 14:09 +1000
    Re: n00b question on spacing Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-22 21:35 -0400
    Re: n00b question on spacing Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-23 11:40 -0400

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