Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships

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Date	2013-06-10 23:49 -0400
Subject	Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships
From	Jason Swails <jason.swails@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
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On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> wrote:

> On 06/10/2013 06:54 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-06-10, Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Another principle similar to 'Don't add extraneous code' is 'Don't
>>>> rebind builtins'.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OK, we've all done it by accident (especially when starting out), but
>>> are there people that rebind builtins intentionally?
>>>
>>
>> There are times when you don't care what you shadow, like using id for
>> a database ID.
>>
>> ChrisA
>>
>>
> And times where you're deliberately replacing a built-in
>
> try:
>    input = raw_input
> except ....

Yes but this is a hack to coerce Python2/3 compatibility.  You're no doubt
correct that it's intentional rebinding with a definite aim, but if the
PyArchitects had their way, this would be unnecessary (and discouraged) as
well.

The first time I remember rebinding a builtin was completely accidental
(and at the very beginning of me learning and using Python).

# beginner's crappy code
range = [0, 20]

# bunches of code

for i in range(len(data)):
   if data[i] > range[0] and data[i] < range[1]:
      do_something

TypeError: 'list' object is not callable... # what the heck does this mean??

That one drove me nuts. Took me hours to find.  I still avoid rebinding
builtins just from the memory of the experience :)

--Jason

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Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 14:18 +0100
  Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2013-06-10 09:35 -0400
    Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 14:57 +0100
      Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 15:00 +0100
      Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 13:56 -0600
        Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 17:02 -0700
  Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-06-10 15:49 +0200
    Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 14:59 +0100
      Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-06-10 16:28 +0200
        Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 15:38 +0100
          Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-06-10 17:05 +0200
            Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 16:20 +0100
              Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-06-10 17:55 +0200
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 17:09 +0100
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Peter Otten <__peter__@web.de> - 2013-06-10 19:07 +0200
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 18:42 +0100
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-10 15:36 -0400
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 21:31 +0100
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-10 15:51 -0400
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 21:13 +0100
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-10 18:07 -0400
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2013-06-10 22:39 +0000
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 08:54 +1000
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2013-06-10 18:24 -0500
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Dave Angel <davea@davea.name> - 2013-06-10 19:26 -0400
                Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Jason Swails <jason.swails@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 23:49 -0400
  Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2013-06-10 15:54 -0400
    Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-10 21:09 +0100
  Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2013-06-11 16:50 -0700
    Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 13:06 +0100
      Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2013-06-14 00:07 +1000
        Re: Newbie: question regarding references and class relationships Rui Maciel <rui.maciel@gmail.com> - 2013-06-13 19:23 +0100

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