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Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`?

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On 23Nov2012 10:41, Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> wrote:
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| I know it's a common beginner's mistake to incautiously override
| built-in functions. However, we put in a lot of research and have come to
| the conclusion that, if Python had not already defined it, `type` would
| be the best name. We are now trying to evaluate how bad the disadvantages
| you mention are in comparison to the advantage to having a name that is
| more intuitive to use in the problem domain.
| 
| Can you somehow relate to my explanations, or are your experiences
| with overwriting built-in variables so bad that you would advise to
| never ever do it?

My own experience says that it is a thing best avoiding without a truly
amazing reason not to.

I urge you not to: type(foo) is a very basic Python idiom and you're
breaking it. One day it _will_ bite you or your users. You will
understand, but I would give goods odds that some of your users will not
the day they go to examine the type of an object for perfectly normal
pythonic reasons.

Example: I have a module that stores "objects" and they have as a
primary key a "name" and a "type" - not Python types, just strings.
Accordingly I have a similar situation to yours: the desire to use the
word "type". Fortunately for me, as an attribute in (usually small) code
chunks I can usually go:

  t = foo.type
  ... work with t here ...

Where I must pass one as a parameter I use the common convention of
naming the parameter "type_" at the receiving end.

For the calling end, as in your case, you want to use:

  type(blah)

Is it at all possible to make all uses of your "type" function method
calls? Eg:

  something.type("text to type")

It avoids the overloading while keeping your desired name.
-- 
Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au>

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Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-23 08:12 -0800
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Emile van Sebille <emile@fenx.com> - 2012-11-23 08:39 -0800
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-11-23 11:47 -0500
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-23 09:08 -0800
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-11-23 13:35 -0500
    Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-23 10:41 -0800
      Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2012-11-24 09:30 +1100
        Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-24 14:32 -0800
          Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2012-11-25 09:47 +1100
          Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-11-25 04:06 +0000
            Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Cameron Simpson <cs@zip.com.au> - 2012-11-25 17:33 +1100
        Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-24 14:32 -0800
    Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-23 10:41 -0800
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Ramchandra Apte <maniandram01@gmail.com> - 2012-11-24 23:02 -0800
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-11-29 03:46 -0800
  Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-11-30 09:54 -0800
    Re: Is it bad style to override the built-in function `type`? Michael Herrmann <michael.herrmann@getautoma.com> - 2012-12-03 02:57 -0800

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