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Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3

From Random832 <random832@fastmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3
Date 2015-11-04 08:43 -0500
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Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> writes:
> Standard I/O streams are line-buffered only if interactive (i.e.,
> connected to a console), but block-buffered otherwise.

That's not appropriate for stderr, nor is it justified by the argument
that Terry Reedy cited earlier. I had assumed he was making an implicit
claim that stderr is _always_ line-buffered, _even if_ it is not
interactive.

> What does sys.stderr.isatty() return?

There are many situations in which a nominally interactive process might
not have a "tty" for stderr on MS Windows. In an Emacs M-x shell buffer,
in a cygwin terminal (for a non-cygwin python), etc.

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Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-02 18:52 +1100
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-02 11:48 +0100
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-02 11:54 +0100
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Nobody <nobody@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-11-03 07:10 +0000
    Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-03 10:00 -0500
    Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 02:42 +1100
    Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-11-03 17:25 -0500
      Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-04 14:18 +1100
        Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-04 09:19 +0100
          Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Steven D'Aprano <steve@pearwood.info> - 2015-11-04 21:24 +1100
            Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-04 11:43 +0100
            Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Wolfgang Maier <wolfgang.maier@biologie.uni-freiburg.de> - 2015-11-04 12:49 +0100
            Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Random832 <random832@fastmail.com> - 2015-11-04 08:43 -0500
        Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2015-11-04 18:00 -0500
  Re: Unbuffered stderr in Python 3 srinivas devaki <mr.eightnoteight@gmail.com> - 2015-11-06 19:10 +0530

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