Re: Python is readable

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Date	2012-03-29 22:26 -0400
Subject	Re: Python is readable
From	Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.python
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> He did no such thing. I challenge you to find me one place where Joel has
> *ever* claimed that "the very notion of abstraction" is meaningless or
> without use.

"When great thinkers think about problems, they start to see patterns.
They look at the problem of people sending each other word-processor
files, and then they look at the problem of people sending each other
spreadsheets, and they realize that there's a general pattern: sending
files. That's one level of abstraction already. Then they go up one
more level: people send files, but web browsers also "send" requests
for web pages. And when you think about it, calling a method on an
object is like sending a message to an object! It's the same thing
again! Those are all sending operations, so our clever thinker invents
a new, higher, broader abstraction called messaging, but now it's
getting really vague and nobody really knows what they're talking
about any more. Blah.

When you go too far up, abstraction-wise, you run out of oxygen.
Sometimes smart thinkers just don't know when to stop, and they create
these absurd, all-encompassing, high-level pictures of the universe
that are all good and fine, but don't actually mean anything at all."

To me, this directly indicates he views higher order abstractions
skeptically, and assumes because he does not see meaning in them, they
don't hold any meaning.  Despite Joel's beliefs, new advances in
science are in many ways the result of advances in mathematics brought
on by very deep abstraction.  Just as an example, Von Neumann's
treatment of quantum mechanics with linear operators in Hilbert spaces
utilizes very abstract mathematics, and without it we wouldn't have
modern electronics.

I'm 100% behind ranting on software hype.  Myopically bashing the type
of thinking that resulted in the computer the basher is writing on,
not so much.  If he had said "if you're getting very high up, find
very smart people and talk to them to make sure you're not in wing nut
territory" I could have given him a pass.

I really wish people wouldn't try to put Joel up on a pedestal.  The
majority of his writings either seem like sensationalist spins on
tautological statements, self aggrandizement or luddite trolling.  At
least Stephen Wolfram has cool shit to back up his ego, Fog Creek
makes decent but overpriced debuggers/version control/issue
trackers... From my perspective, Stack Overflow is the first really
interesting thing Joel had his hand in, and I suspect Jeff Atwood was
probably the reason for it, since SO doesn't look like anything Fog
Creek ever produced prior to that.

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Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 00:34 +0100
  Re: Python is readable Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 23:54 +0000
  Re: Python is readable Tony the Tiger <tony@tiger.invalid> - 2012-03-14 19:18 -0500
  Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 11:27 +1100
    Re: Python is readable Rick Johnson <rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 20:02 -0700
      Re: Python is readable alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-03-14 23:23 -0700
        Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 11:44 +0100
          Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 21:50 +1100
            Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 12:27 +0100
              Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 22:47 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 12:59 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 23:21 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-15 23:31 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 23:38 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-16 00:16 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 00:33 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-16 00:50 +1100
                RE: Python is readable "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-03-15 17:43 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 15:16 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 01:29 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 15:37 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-03-15 11:14 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 02:27 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-03-15 11:44 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Alec Taylor <alec.taylor6@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 03:01 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 17:41 +0000
          Re: Python is readable Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-03-15 12:14 +0100
            Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 12:48 +0100
              Re: Python is readable Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:06 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 15:19 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Tim Golden <mail@timgolden.me.uk> - 2012-03-15 14:28 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 15:55 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 02:08 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 20:40 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 16:12 -0600
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-16 09:35 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 23:00 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 00:46 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-15 23:58 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 12:41 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 00:15 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-16 10:57 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 15:13 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Serhiy Storchaka <storchaka@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 21:43 +0200
              Re: Python is readable Alec Taylor <alec.taylor6@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 01:17 +1100
              Re: Python is readable Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-15 14:23 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 15:30 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 14:43 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 16:18 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 16:17 -0600
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 00:32 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 03:55 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 13:10 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 16:48 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 17:39 -0600
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-17 22:22 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-17 20:59 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 08:20 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-17 22:28 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 17:04 -0600
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-19 12:15 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-19 11:57 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-18 11:42 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-18 01:36 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-19 12:34 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 16:56 +1100
                Re: Python is readable MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-03-31 18:27 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 01:48 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-15 16:05 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 02:14 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-15 23:52 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-16 14:12 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 13:36 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-16 12:50 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 13:03 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-16 13:08 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 16:28 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-16 17:53 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 18:50 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-16 19:35 +0000
                RE: Python is readable "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-03-16 20:04 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-17 21:54 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-18 00:57 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 12:07 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+usenet@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-18 02:05 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 13:15 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-21 00:57 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Mel Wilson <mwilson@the-wire.com> - 2012-03-16 16:01 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-03-16 13:30 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-17 07:59 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-03-17 01:09 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-19 11:26 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-19 11:51 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-19 12:53 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Robert Kern <robert.kern@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 14:38 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-17 21:23 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-18 01:46 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-19 12:44 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-19 15:27 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-21 00:27 +0100
              Re: Python is readable Thomas Rachel <nutznetz-0c1b6768-bfa9-48d5-a470-7603bd3aa915@spamschutz.glglgl.de> - 2012-03-15 16:41 +0100
                Re: Python is readable Duncan Booth <duncan.booth@invalid.invalid> - 2012-03-16 09:30 +0000
        Re: Python is readable John Ladasky <ladasky@my-deja.com> - 2012-03-18 14:30 -0700
          Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 09:02 +1100
            Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-19 01:23 +0000
              Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-19 15:33 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-19 13:37 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-20 12:20 +0000
          Re: Python is readable alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-03-18 20:15 -0700
            Re: Python is readable Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2012-03-18 21:14 -0700
          Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-20 12:55 -0400
            Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-20 17:48 +0000
          Re: Python is readable Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-03-20 14:09 -0400
          Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-20 15:28 -0400
            Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-21 00:22 +0000
              Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-20 18:28 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Ben Finney <ben+python@benfinney.id.au> - 2012-03-21 13:28 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-20 19:44 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-21 15:16 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-20 21:58 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-21 16:40 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-20 23:52 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-21 17:59 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Rebert <clp2@rebertia.com> - 2012-03-21 00:16 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 00:57 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-21 19:15 +1100
                Re: Re: Python is readable Evan Driscoll <driscoll@cs.wisc.edu> - 2012-03-21 11:22 -0500
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 09:30 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-21 14:06 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 18:35 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-22 08:56 +0000
                Re: Python is readable (OT) Jon Clements <joncle@googlemail.com> - 2012-03-22 04:18 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 08:47 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-22 17:18 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 14:26 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-03-29 13:44 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-29 14:37 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-30 01:42 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-29 22:26 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-30 03:36 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 00:38 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-30 10:47 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 09:46 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 03:20 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 14:15 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Neil Cerutti <neilc@norwich.edu> - 2012-03-30 20:30 +0000
                Re: Python is readable alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-04-01 20:38 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 05:29 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 15:55 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 07:20 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-30 22:07 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-04-03 08:06 +1000
                Re: Python is readable Dan Sommers <dan@tombstonezero.net> - 2012-03-30 16:51 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 16:58 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 08:45 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 19:01 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-03-31 00:03 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 19:05 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 10:43 -0400
                Re: Python is readable rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-03-30 11:17 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-30 09:02 -0700
                Re: Python is readable alex23 <wuwei23@gmail.com> - 2012-04-01 20:30 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-04-01 21:01 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-29 23:44 -0700
                RE: Python is readable "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-03-30 16:40 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-30 00:27 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 06:08 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 00:17 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 10:29 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 09:12 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-22 17:44 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 19:42 -0700
                Re: Python is readable rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 20:20 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 21:16 -0700
                Re: Python is readable MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-03-23 04:43 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 23:58 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 00:20 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-22 08:33 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 06:21 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-22 15:33 -0400
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 06:48 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-03-23 06:49 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-21 23:34 +0000
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-21 17:54 -0700
                Re: Python is readable Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 17:25 +1100
                Re: Python is readable Steve Howell <showell30@yahoo.com> - 2012-03-31 09:59 -0700
              Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-21 00:55 -0400
          Re: Python is readable Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-03-20 16:01 -0400
          Re: Python is readable Nathan Rice <nathan.alexander.rice@gmail.com> - 2012-03-20 16:34 -0400
            Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-21 00:01 +0000
          Re: Python is readable Lie Ryan <lie.1296@gmail.com> - 2012-03-31 17:15 +1100
  Re: Python is readable Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 13:51 -0400
  Re: Python is readable Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-03-15 20:54 +0000
    Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 02:03 +0000
  Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 01:53 +0000
    Re: Python is readable Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-03-16 02:16 +0000
    Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 13:55 +0100
      Re: Python is readable Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-03-16 16:25 +0000
        Re: Python is readable Kiuhnm <kiuhnm03.4t.yahoo.it> - 2012-03-16 17:58 +0100
        RE: Python is readable "Prasad, Ramit" <ramit.prasad@jpmorgan.com> - 2012-03-16 17:01 +0000
  Re: Python is readable alister <alister.ware@ntlworld.com> - 2012-03-18 18:19 +0000

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