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Re: What can Nuitka do?

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On Sat, Jun 28, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/27/2014 09:44 PM, CM wrote:
>>> Additionally, in most GUI apps (although not all),
>>> the main bottleneck is usually not the programming
>>> language but the user. GUI apps tend to spend
>>> 95% of their time idling, waiting for the user. Its
>>> been a *long* time since the GUI framework itself
>>> has lagged behind the user's input, except
>>
>> Although that is true, I have found that I have
>> managed to get wxPython apps to feel laggy in certain
>> parts, particularly on not-very-fast computers. I
>> can see this in starting up the program and some
>> other areas such as repainting damaged windows
>> rapidly. It's not a huge effect, but it does
>> influence the "look and feel" and I care about it.
>
> I highly doubt this lagginess has anything to do with Python, honestly.
>  If you're seeing slowdowns in the areas you state, you'll probably
> experience the same issues in the equivalent C++ version.  All drawing
> is done by the underlying binary library.
>
> I've made GUIs in GTK and Qt with Python and never had any that was
> appreciably slower than C or C++ apps.

Agreed, and there's a fairly easy way to test it (at least, under
Linux): just look in 'top' and see if a significant proportion of the
time is spent in a process called Xorg rather than your python
process. The last time I had a program that could actually saturate a
thread with GUI API calls, it generally ended up split somewhere
between 25% and 75% across my process and Xorg. (Best I could do just
now, in testing, was to hold PgUp/PgDn in an unoptimized program that
repainted the screen immediately whenever it needed to. According to
top, I was using 52% of a core in Xorg, and about 16% of a core in my
code. With a slower computer, that would work out to 75% Xorg and 25%
high level code.) At that point, changing language won't affect
performance one iota, and certainly changing Python interpreter won't
do anything for you. The way to improve performance is to cut out some
of the drawing calls. (The saturation problem came because the code
was naively trying to draw a whole lot of stuff that was hidden behind
a scroll viewport. Adding a quick check "is this sorta close to the
screen" gave me all the improvement I needed.)

The only other time I've been waiting for X display was when I was
mobile, on a 3G connection, and using X11 forwarding on an SSH link
back to my home LAN. For some reason, displaying a remote desktop view
of a VM takes quite a while when every pixel has to be sent over 3G...
but, again, no Python code performance involved :)

ChrisA

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What can Nuitka do? CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 16:25 -0700
  Re: What can Nuitka do? Paul Sokolovsky <pmiscml@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 02:44 +0300
    Re: What can Nuitka do? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 19:10 -0700
      Re: What can Nuitka do? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-28 03:09 +0000
        Re: What can Nuitka do? CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 20:44 -0700
          Re: What can Nuitka do? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 22:14 -0600
          Re: What can Nuitka do? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 15:00 +1000
          Re: What can Nuitka do? "Gisle Vanem" <gvanem@yahoo.no> - 2014-06-28 12:39 +0200
            Re: What can Nuitka do? Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2014-06-28 11:35 -0400
          Re: What can Nuitka do? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-29 01:16 +1000
          Re: [OT] What can Nuitka do? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-06-30 07:10 -0600
          Re: [OT] What can Nuitka do? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-30 23:36 +1000
          Re: [OT] What can Nuitka do? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-06-30 22:17 -0600
          Re: [OT] What can Nuitka do? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-06-30 22:26 -0600
    Re: What can Nuitka do? CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 20:06 -0700
      Re: What can Nuitka do? Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2014-06-28 03:17 +0000
        Re: What can Nuitka do? CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 20:57 -0700
          Re: What can Nuitka do? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 21:11 -0700
          Re: What can Nuitka do? Stefan Behnel <stefan_ml@behnel.de> - 2014-06-28 06:23 +0200
            Re: What can Nuitka do? CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 21:45 -0700
              Re: What can Nuitka do? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 15:02 +1000
                Re: What can Nuitka do? CM <cmpython@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 22:40 -0700
                Re: What can Nuitka do? Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 16:16 +1000
                Fwd: What can Nuitka do? Chris “Kwpolska” Warrick <kwpolska@gmail.com> - 2014-06-28 09:45 +0200
      Re: What can Nuitka do? Michael Torrie <torriem@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 21:28 -0600
        Re: What can Nuitka do? Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2014-06-27 20:40 -0700

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