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Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject	Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon
Date	2025-03-25 01:19 +0000
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On Mon, 24 Mar 2025 17:48:25 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> Not quite sure what exactly you mean by "inference", the latest Mac
> Studio that can go up to 512GB RAM is certainly heading in the right
> direction for local LLM training.

Inference is when new data is fed into an existing model to reach 
conclusions. This is a decent overview of creating and training a model.

https://www.nitorinfotech.com/blog/training-large-language-models-llms-
techniques-and-best-practices/

I haven't looked at this series but there a many PyTorch or TensorFlow 
tutorials online.

https://pytorch.org/tutorials/beginner/basics/intro.html

The original MNIST database was 60,000 pre-scaled images of hand written 
digits. Fashion MNIST has 60,000 grayscale  clothing images and 10,000 
test images. This isn't NLP and the datasets are laughingly small. If 
you're lucky you have a Nvidia GPU. So far most packages use CUDA which is 
a Nvidia thing. Some can be set to use the CPU. In either case you might 
want to go for a cup of coffee while the epochs spool by minimizing the 
loss function.

You do realize the players in the field are using banks of $40,000 Nvidia 
GPUs and are trying to buy nuclear plants to power them? If you want to 
talk about ChatGPT here are some numbers.

https://www.moomoo.com/community/feed/109834449715205
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katharinabuchholz/2024/08/23/the-extreme-
cost-of-training-ai-models/

Not coming to a desktop near you any time soon.

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Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-22 21:55 +0000
  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-22 22:50 +0000
  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 19:03 -0400
  Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-22 21:09 -0400
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A �Frequently-Returned Item� On Amazon Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-03-22 22:00 -0400
    Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-23 06:20 +0000
      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-23 07:05 +0000
      Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-03-23 07:13 -0400
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          Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-24 00:38 +0000
            Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-24 06:16 +0000
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                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-03-25 15:35 +0000
                Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A ?Frequently-Returned Item? On Amazon rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-03-26 02:45 +0000
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        Re: Windows-on-ARM Laptop Is A “Frequently-Returned Item” On Amazon Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-03-23 23:37 +0000
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