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Re: Set the result of void function

From Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Set the result of void function
Date 2017-09-29 11:23 -0700
Organization None to speak of
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David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
> On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 9:16:23 AM UTC-7, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]
>> > The standard library is not a required part of the C language.
>> 
>> It certainly is required for hosted implementations.  In any case, how
>> is that relevent to what we were discussing?
>
> The standard library was assumed to define the meaning of the
> token "printf". An unhosted program can use "printf" to mean
> anything it pleases - as I did.

By "unhosted program", you mean a program running under a freestanding
implementation, yes?

I have no clue why you would choose to define a function called
"printf" with no parameters and a non-prototype declaration as part
of its definition.  I don't see how that has anything to do with
what we've been discussing, which was your claim upthread that:

    As nearly as I can tell it would be possible to use
    non-prototyped functions where we now use variadic
    functions. I think that is a bad idea. But ...

How does your redefinition of "printf" contribute to that discussion?
My perception is that you merely moved the goalposts, probably to
somewhere out in the parking lot.

In pre-ANSI C, yes, the printf function would commonly be defined as:

    int printf() { /* ... */}

or perhaps as:

    int printf(format)
    char *format;
    {
        /* ... */
    }

with some compiler-specific code to process the arguments.  It was not
portable, but it was the only approach possible at the time.  ANSI C
added ", ..." and <stdarg.h> precisely to make it possible to define
printf and similar functions portably.  In modern C, any attempt to use
the pre-ANSI methods to define a printf-like function might happen to
work, but it would have undefined behavior.

What point were you trying to make?  

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Working, but not speaking, for JetHead Development, Inc.
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"

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Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-19 14:23 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-19 14:38 -0700
    Re: Set the result of void function gordonb.tfand@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-09-19 17:16 -0500
    Re: Set the result of void function "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-09-20 00:39 +0200
      Re: Set the result of void function James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-19 22:06 -0400
        Re: Set the result of void function "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2017-09-20 06:51 +0200
          Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-20 10:55 +0100
            Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-20 12:11 +0100
            Re: Set the result of void function fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 07:17 -0700
          Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-20 11:28 +0100
          Re: Set the result of void function mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-09-20 03:30 -0700
            Re: Set the result of void function fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 06:53 -0700
              Re: Set the result of void function Andrew Haley <andrew29@littlepinkcloud.invalid> - 2017-09-21 03:50 -0500
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-21 11:00 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-09-21 12:39 +0000
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-21 14:12 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2017-09-21 13:51 +0000
                Re: Set the result of void function Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-09-21 08:36 -0600
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-21 17:51 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-21 10:06 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-22 08:51 +0200
                Plunging innocent people into poverty (Was: Set the result of void function) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-09-23 09:31 +0000
                Re: Plunging innocent people into poverty (Was: Set the result of void function) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-23 12:09 +0200
                Re: Plunging innocent people into poverty (Was: Set the result of void function) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-09-23 10:25 +0000
                Re: Plunging innocent people into poverty Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2017-09-23 10:43 -0600
                Re: Plunging innocent people into poverty supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-23 10:41 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-22 09:37 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-22 11:27 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-22 14:42 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2017-09-24 12:09 +0000
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 08:31 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 03:52 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 13:25 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 04:58 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 14:20 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-25 13:44 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 15:09 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 05:44 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 05:58 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 15:15 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 06:46 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-25 16:01 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 07:18 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 07:55 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-25 08:49 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 09:21 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-25 09:51 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-25 21:57 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-25 15:03 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee> - 2017-09-25 21:34 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-26 04:28 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-27 08:26 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-27 11:48 -0400
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 08:54 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function gordonb.iddsu@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) - 2017-09-28 23:33 -0500
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 09:15 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 17:50 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-27 10:35 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-27 18:47 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-27 10:52 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 11:10 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 09:10 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 11:06 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 20:01 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 12:26 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 20:38 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-27 13:00 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 21:54 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-27 14:12 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-27 14:34 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-27 23:16 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-27 16:09 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 01:12 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-28 02:03 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-28 17:31 +1300
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 09:55 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-28 21:00 +1300
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 10:48 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 13:20 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-28 11:29 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-27 20:27 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 19:30 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-29 19:45 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2017-09-29 14:49 -0400
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-27 15:07 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 09:42 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 13:55 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 17:22 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 09:14 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 20:13 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 19:42 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-28 09:14 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 09:25 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 20:17 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 17:39 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-28 10:10 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 19:05 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2017-09-28 14:20 -0400
                Re: Set the result of void function Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-29 07:52 +1300
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-28 11:59 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-28 18:50 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 19:47 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 21:57 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-28 16:14 -0400
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-28 13:17 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 21:23 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 13:55 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 19:50 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-28 13:57 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-28 23:18 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-28 17:38 -0400
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-28 15:54 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-29 08:59 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 14:43 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-29 10:43 +0200
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-29 07:43 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-09-30 19:21 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-30 19:45 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 13:31 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-28 13:41 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 14:07 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-28 16:25 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 18:45 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-28 19:54 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-28 20:51 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-28 22:39 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-29 09:16 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-09-29 16:17 +0000
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 11:05 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-29 11:23 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-29 12:15 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 16:04 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-29 16:44 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-30 10:04 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-30 10:33 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-29 11:26 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 16:03 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-29 09:44 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 11:15 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-29 11:35 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 16:11 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 16:14 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-30 08:55 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-29 11:36 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-29 12:05 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-29 12:17 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-29 09:15 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-09-29 09:42 +1300
                Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-28 21:55 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 14:12 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-28 17:22 -0400
                Re: Set the result of void function Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2017-09-29 19:50 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 09:00 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-28 09:35 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-28 10:57 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 10:35 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 06:57 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-25 16:32 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2017-09-25 08:43 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2017-09-25 22:12 +0100
                Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-25 09:03 -0700
                Re: Set the result of void function Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2017-09-25 14:17 +0000
          Re: Set the result of void function "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-20 11:32 -0400
        Re: Set the result of void function fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 01:50 -0700
          Re: Set the result of void function David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 15:56 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-19 23:01 +0100
    Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-20 15:40 +0200
      Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-20 08:50 -0700
        Re: Set the result of void function David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-09-20 22:52 +0200
          Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-20 15:04 -0700
    Re: Set the result of void function supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-09-20 07:39 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-19 15:18 -0700
    Re: Set the result of void function bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-09-20 01:21 +0100
      Re: Set the result of void function jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2017-09-19 19:40 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function rockbrentwood@gmail.com - 2017-09-19 16:36 -0700
    Re: Set the result of void function James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-19 22:13 -0400
    Re: Set the result of void function gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2017-09-22 01:48 +0000
  Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-19 19:36 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function mark.bluemel@gmail.com - 2017-09-20 01:00 -0700
    Re: Set the result of void function fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 02:01 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2017-09-20 08:36 -0700
  Re: Set the result of void function "James R. Kuyper" <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2017-09-20 11:36 -0400
  Re: Set the result of void function John Bode <jfbode1029@gmail.com> - 2017-09-20 15:30 -0700

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