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Re: float("nan") in set or as key

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On 2011-06-01, Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Carl Banks <pavlovevidence@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 29, 2011 7:53:59 PM UTC-7, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>> Okay, here's a question. The Python 'float' value - is it meant to be
>>> "a Python representation of an IEEE double-precision floating point
>>> value", or "a Python representation of a real number"?
>>
>> The former. ?Unlike the case with integers, there is no way that I know of to represent an abstract real number on a digital computer.
>
> This seems peculiar. Normally Python seeks to define its data types
> in the abstract and then leave the concrete up to the various
> implementations - note,

But, "real numbers" and "IEEE float" are so different that I don't
think that it would be a wise decision for people to pretend they're
working with real numbers when in fact they are working with IEEE
floats.

> for instance, how Python 3 has dispensed with 'int' vs 'long' and
> just made a single 'int' type that can hold any integer.

Those concepts are much closer than "real numbers" and "IEEE floats".

> Does this mean that an implementation of Python on hardware that has
> some other type of floating point must simulate IEEE double-precision
> in all its nuances?

I certainly hope so.  I depend on things like propogation of
non-signalling nans, the behavior of infinities, etc.

> I'm glad I don't often need floating point numbers. They can be so
> annoying!

They can be -- especially if one pretends one is working with real
numbers instead of fixed-length binary floating point numbers.  Like
any tool, floating point has to be used properly. Screwdrivers make
very annoying hammers.

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Re: float("nan") in set or as key Carl Banks <pavlovevidence@gmail.com> - 2011-05-31 19:59 -0700
  Re: float("nan") in set or as key Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2011-06-01 13:05 +1000
    Re: float("nan") in set or as key Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-01 14:03 +0000
      Re: float("nan") in set or as key Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2011-06-02 01:10 +0000

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