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Re: Just one!

From Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.advocacy, comp.mobile.android, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject Re: Just one!
Date 2020-11-24 14:51 -0600
Message-ID <i25a30FsithU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (6 earlier) <rpibkj$ckb$3@dont-email.me> <rpijeh$msf$2@dont-email.me> <rpim3e$9nh$1@dont-email.me> <rpjk46$8nd$1@dont-email.me> <rpjmgk$l6d$2@dont-email.me>

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On 2020-11-24 1:21 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2020-11-24 10:41 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>> Am 24.11.20 um 11:08 schrieb Alan Baker:
>>> On 2020-11-24 1:23 a.m., Peter Köhlmann wrote:
>>>> Am 24.11.20 um 08:10 schrieb Alan Baker:
>>>>> On 2020-11-23 10:45 p.m., Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> Am 24.11.20 um 01:14 schrieb nospam:
>>>>>>> In article <rpheio$odo$1@dont-email.me>, Peter Köhlmann
>>>>>>> <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A large part of the design of Apple's processors is done by 
>>>>>>>>>> ARM Ltd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> completely false.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> apple designs their own processors. full stop.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Idiot. Apple designs their own processors.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yep. that's exactly what i said.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which are ALL based on ARM
>>>>>>>> designs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Im Herbst 2020 stellte Apple drei Systeme aus der Mac-Reihe vor, 
>>>>>> welche
>>>>>> mit dem Apple M1 ein ARM-basiertes system on a chip als Prozessor
>>>>>> verwenden.[5]
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Arm-based" in that they use the ARM instruction set architecture.
>>>>
>>>> An "instruction set" apple had NOTHING to do with. And which is 
>>>> owned NOT by apple. Apple does not own ARM. Apple does not own the 
>>>> instruction set. Apple does not own the ARM design.
>>>
>>> I completely agree.
>>>
>>> But an instruction set architecture is a set of RULES.
>>>
>>> A processor is a physical device that can EXECUTE those rules.
>>>
>>> Apple licensed the former and then designed the latter.
>>
>> So "instruction sets" and hardware" and other "esoteric things" are 
>> way beyond your knowledge. "Rules" are unheard of in the case of 
>> "instruction sets". Instruction sets are simply the instructions a 
>> processor can execute, and the variants of those instructions (for 
>> example Jumps may be relative, absolute, conditional etc etc)
> 
> Instructions sets ARE rules, you twit.
> 
> 'rule noun
> 
> 1 one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles 
> governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity.'
> 
> And instruction set architecture defines a set of rules that determine 
> how each instruction will behave.
> 
> Then you build an actual, physical device that will FOLLOW those rules.
> 
> 
> And none of this changes the fact that licensing an ISA is NOT licensing 
> a design for a processor.
> 
> 

Stick with your Apple groups, WE DON'T CARE.

Rene

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Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 11:10 -0800
  Re: Just one! David Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> - 2020-11-23 21:53 +0000
    Re: Just one! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-23 17:23 -0500
      Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-23 23:54 +0100
        Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 14:58 -0800
        Re: Just one! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-23 19:14 -0500
          Re: Just one! Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2020-11-24 07:35 +0100
            Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 23:08 -0800
              Re: Just one! "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2020-11-24 10:41 -0800
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 11:24 -0800
          Re: Just one! Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2020-11-24 07:45 +0100
            Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 23:10 -0800
              Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-24 10:23 +0100
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 02:08 -0800
                Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-24 19:41 +0100
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 11:21 -0800
                Re: Just one! Rene Lamontagne <rlamont@shaw.ca> - 2020-11-24 14:51 -0600
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 13:36 -0800
                Re: Just one! Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2020-11-24 23:23 +0100
                Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-24 22:05 +0100
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 13:36 -0800
                Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-24 23:08 +0100
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 16:14 -0800
                Re: Just one! Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2020-11-25 11:31 +0100
      Re: Just one! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2020-11-23 23:08 +0000
        Re: Just one! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-23 19:28 -0500
          Re: Just one!  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-11-24 00:51 +0000
          Re: Just one! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2020-11-24 02:08 +0000
            Re: Just one! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-23 21:41 -0500
              Re: Just one! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2020-11-24 18:30 +0000
          Re: Just one! "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2020-11-24 05:10 -0800
            Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 11:14 -0800
              Re: Just one! "Thomas E." <thomas.e.elam@gmail.com> - 2020-11-25 08:27 -0800
        Re: Just one!  Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-11-24 00:29 +0000
          Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 17:07 -0800
        Re: Just one! Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-11-25 16:30 +0000
          Re: Just one! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2020-11-25 19:07 +0000
            Re: Just one! Arlen   Holder <arlen_holder@newmachines.com> - 2020-11-25 21:25 +0000
              Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-25 13:49 -0800
      Re: Just one! Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2020-11-23 19:43 -0500
      Re: Just one! Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2020-11-24 07:30 +0100
        Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 23:07 -0800
        Re: Just one! nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-24 06:36 -0500
          Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-24 22:12 +0100
            Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 13:37 -0800
              Re: Just one! Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2020-11-24 23:07 +0100
                Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 16:13 -0800
              Re: Just one! Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2020-11-25 18:48 +0000
            Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-24 18:49 -0800
    Re: Just one! Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 14:53 -0800
  Re: Just one! Аlаn Ваkеr <notonyourliff@no.no.no> - 2020-11-23 23:18 -0800

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