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Re: More Parataxic Distortion

From vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups alt.checkmate, talk.politics.guns, talk.politics.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: More Parataxic Distortion
Date 2020-09-06 03:59 +0000
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On Sat, 05 Sep 2020 20:30:54 -0700, Janithor wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
> 
> On 9/5/2020 8:27 PM, vallor wrote:
>> https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/909245646/review-of-federal-charges-in-
>> portland-unrest-show-most-are-misdemeanors
>> 
>> NPR Article:
>> 
>> In President Trump's telling of it, Portland, Ore., is a city under
>> siege by violent radical leftists. He has suggested that only the
>> strong hand of federal law enforcement can save it.
>> 
>> On Fox News this week, Acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf
>> admonished state and local leaders there and elsewhere for failing to
>> restore law and order, and he touted the administration's response.
>> 
>> "We've seen about 300 arrests across this country regarding civil
>> unrest and protest, violent protesting, I'd say criminal protesting,
>> criminal rioting," Wolf said. "About 100 of those have been in Portland
>> specifically, and I know the Department of Justice has charged about 74
>> or 75 individuals in Portland there with different federal crimes."
>> 
>> But an NPR review of the federal cases brought in Portland shows that
>> the majority of the charges are for what could be considered minor
>> offenses.
>> 
>> As of Aug. 28, the U.S. Attorney's Office for Oregon had charges
>> outstanding against 74 people in connection with the Portland unrest.
>> 
>> Of those cases charged, 11 are for citations and 42 are for
>> misdemeanors, meaning that more than 70% of the total charged cases are
>> not felonies.
>> 
>> "A citation is the least serious of a charge, it's really more of a
>> ticket," said Lisa Hay, the federal public defender for Oregon.
>> 
>> The misdemeanor cases are almost evenly divided between class A and
>> class C misdemeanors.
>> 
>> A class C misdemeanor is one step above a citation and is punishable by
>> no more than one month in jail. In Portland, at least 19 people face
>> class C misdemeanor charges for allegedly failing to comply with a
>> lawful order.
>> 
>> "That might be somebody who's in front of the federal courthouse, on
>> the sidewalk, and an order is issued to disperse, and they didn't
>> disperse or they didn't move away quickly enough," said Hay.
>> 
>> The class A misdemeanor cases in Portland have typically involved an
>> alleged assault of a federal officer but without physical contact. Such
>> a case could involve, for example, verbally abusing an officer or
>> pretending to throw an object.
>> 
>> These sorts of misdemeanors are punishable by no more than one year in
>> prison.
>> 
>> Steve Kanter, a law professor and former dean at Lewis and Clark Law
>> School in Portland, said the federal government's decision to arrest
>> and charge people for offenses like failing to comply with a lawful
>> order suggests that law enforcement officer were acting in a selective
>> manner "to control and chill expression and activity."
>> 
>> "There should be a clear dividing line between people who are trying to
>> get their voices heard, fully protected by the First Amendment and the
>> right to assemble," he said, "and people that engage unjustified
>> violence against persons or property."
>> 
>> Kanter said those who engage in violence β€” and he made clear that there
>> have been people in Portland doing exactly that β€” should be prosecuted.
>> 
>> The vast majority of the protesters in the city have been nonviolent,
>> but some demonstrators have set fires, thrown projectiles and, in some
>> instances,
>> attacked federal officers.
>> 
>> After Trump sent a surge of federal law enforcement to Portland in
>> July, the area around the federal courthouse downtown for weeks was a
>> battle zone at night as some protesters clashed with federal agents
>> guarding the facility.
>> 
>> Federal prosecutors have brought more serious felony charges against
>> those they say engaged in the violence β€” 20 cases as of late last week,
>> according to NPR's review of the court papers.
>> 
>> Those are primarily either assault of a federal officer or arson
>> charges. One defendant, for example,
>> is accused of hitting a deputy U.S. marshal with a hammer, while
>> another allegedly struck a deputy U.S.
>> marshal with a baseball bat.
>> 
>> The president and Attorney General William Barr have repeatedly blamed
>> what they call left-wing radicals and members of the antifa movement
>> for the violence in Portland and elsewhere.
>> 
>> "I've talked to every police chief in every city where there's been
>> major violence, and they all have identified antifa as the ramrod for
>> the violence,"
>> Barr told CNN this week.
>> 
>> "They are flying around the country We know people who are flying
>> around the country," Barr said. "We see some purchases they are making
>> before the riots of weapons to use in those riots."
>> 
>> None of the court documents from federal cases in Portland reference
>> antifa or any sort of broader anti-fascist movement or conspiracy.
>> 
>> In a few of the case files, there are references to apparent agitators.
>> For instance, one defendant told authorities that he was handed a
>> firework by a masked person in the crowd and told to throw it.
>> 
>> But there is nothing more substantial in the federal court record in
>> Portland at this point to support the attorney general's assertions.
>> 
>> In the public record, the man suspected of fatally shooting a
>> right-wing activist in Portland last weekend said he supports the
>> anti-fascist movement but is not a member of it.
>> 
>> The man, Michael Reinoehl, was killed Thursday night as law enforcement
>> officers tried to arrest him.
>>   _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>> 
>> So, mostly citations and misdemeanors.
>> 
>> "We report, you decide."
> 
> Mixed Nuts says ALL the violence is caused by either right-wing groups
> or police infiltrating the protesters.

So does your definition of violence include things like harsh language?

-- 
-v  https://theproblemisextremism.org

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