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| From | Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: If statement with initializer |
| Date | 2017-05-15 17:14 +1200 |
| Message-ID | <ensrq2FrasmU2@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (2 earlier) <87ziekd168.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <VIJQA.25753$fQ.17710@fx26.am4> <87tw4scszc.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <5914c1e7$0$3688$426a74cc@news.free.fr> <kfn4lwnsyom.fsf@x-alumni2.alumni.caltech.edu> |
On 05/14/17 07:08 PM, Tim Rentsch wrote:
<snip>
> What makes the function interesting is four related variables,
> let me call them a, b, x, and y. In the main flow of the
> algorithm, x and y are set based on the value of a parameter, and
> a and b are then set based on the values of x and y. However,
> for a small subset of input values, there is fast path that only
> sets 'a' (and then falls into some subsequent code). Practically
> speaking the variable a must be declared before being given its
> initial value. The question is what to do about the other three
> related variables. Should they be declared parallel to a,
> reflecting their relationship to a in the main line of the
> algorithm? Or should they be declared separately, in only the
> "slow path" of the algorithm, even though that is the predominate
> case? (Note: the fast path is solely about performance - the
> slow path always works, it just runs slower than the fast path.)
> The code could be written either way. Ultimately I decided that
> it made more sense to declare a, b, x, and y all together, even
> though b, x, and y could have been declared more locally (and
> clearly the function being fairly small played a significant
> part in that decision). I think either decision is plausible, as
> they both have their plusses and minuses, but on balance grouping
> them all together seems like a better fit. I expect other people
> would make a different decision.
>
> After all of that, what are my conclusions? I think the main
> conclusions are these:
>
> One: I normally read function bodies "all at once" rather
> than a line at a time. For me reading a function means
> getting the whole function body in my head so I can think
> about all of it at the same time.
>
> Two: As both a cause and effect of the above, I very strongly
> prefer functions be kept short, and that have been kept short.
>
> Three: If function bodies are short, declaration placement
> doesn't matter so much.
>
> Four: There are several competing factors for where to put
> declarations. Some favor putting declarations in one place,
> some favor a different placement. Neither choice is right
> in all cases; nor does one seem to predominate.
>
> Five: As a corollary to (three) and (four), if refactoring
> needs to be done, focusing on function length is more likely
> to give a better ROI than moving declarations around.
>
> And now I look forward to hearing all the kind responses and
> rebuttals. :)
Interesting analysis.
No rebuttals, just follow-ups to a couple of the points raised.
Firstly mention of the "fast path" through the code: a generalisation of
this, checking preconditions, is one of the reasons I prefer the C99
style. I like to start functions with precondition checks like:
int someFn( int* p, int n )
{
if( !p )
{
return nullPointerError;
}
if( n == someInvalidValue )
{
return someInvalidValueError;
}
// Guts of function
}
Yes, you can do this with if/else blocks in C90, but I find the newer
style clearer and it minimises right creep.
Secondly the mention of refactoring larger functions: if the variables
are declared where they are first used, they are more likely to be in
the block of code you want to extract. Probably a minor benefit, but
one none the less.
A final observation form my own work on many code bases is that the
functions that need refactoring into multiple functions tend to be those
with all of the variables at the top, which makes the process harder..
--
Ian
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Re: If statement with initializer Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-12 02:01 -0500
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Re: If statement with initializer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-20 22:06 +1200
Re: If statement with initializer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-26 15:54 -0700
Re: If statement with initializer Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-27 11:06 +1200
Re: If statement with initializer Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-15 19:15 -0500
Re: If statement with initializer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-16 12:54 -0700
Re: If statement with initializer Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2017-05-17 00:12 -0500
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Re: If statement with initializer GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 00:59 +0200
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Re: If statement with initializer GOTHIER Nathan <nathan.gothier@gmail.com> - 2017-05-13 23:44 +0200
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Re: If statement with initializer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-15 23:03 +0200
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Re: If statement with initializer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-16 14:48 +0200
Re: If statement with initializer Manfred <invalid@invalid.add> - 2017-05-17 00:22 +0200
Re: If statement with initializer Manfred <invalid@invalid.add> - 2017-05-16 01:27 +0200
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Re: If statement with initializer bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2017-05-16 00:58 +0100
Re: If statement with initializer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-16 12:32 +0200
Re: If statement with initializer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-05-16 08:59 -0700
Re: If statement with initializer David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2017-05-16 22:28 +0200
Re: If statement with initializer supercat@casperkitty.com - 2017-05-16 14:20 -0700
Re: If statement with initializer Tim Rentsch <txr@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2017-05-17 10:24 -0700
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Re: If statement with initializer Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2017-05-15 21:31 +0000
Re: If statement with initializer Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2017-05-15 22:39 +0100
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