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Re: Five years later... Intel launches Fusion Drive for Wintel...

From Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups comp.sys.mac.system
Subject Re: Five years later... Intel launches Fusion Drive for Wintel...
Date 2017-05-02 19:13 +0000
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JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2017-05-02 12:35, Jolly Roger wrote:
> 
>> Your bogus claim that Fusion Drives are RAID 0 is false no matter how
>> you squirm around with word games.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
> 
> RAID 0
>     RAID 0 consists of striping

BZZZZT! Core Storage bound volumes are not striped and they are not RAID
either. Also unlike RAID, Fusion Drives are tiered Storage that operates
below the file level. Keep squirming if you feel you must though. 

> Since Fusion is host based disk management

Nonsense. Core Storage presents a single volume to the system.

> The Ars articles seem to conclude it is block based

As do Apple's own tools referenced by the Ars Technical articles. There's a
reason Apple named Core Storage operations related to Fusion Drives
RdChunkCS, WrChunkCS: because data is moved at the block (chunk) level,
which is easily verified by Ars and others simply by watching the activity
during file access.

> but I am not
> convinced their metrics are correct.

Considering just how ignorant you are about this subject and how reluctant
(or unable) you are to comprehend or absorb what you read, that's a
shocker!

> Different performance for reads
> can also be due to part of file being cached by the OS in RAM instead of
> being stored on SSD.

Not when Apples own tools (fs_usage etc) show the data being read and
written on the SSD itself, nope. That's also mentioned in the Ars Technical
articles. 

-- 
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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