Re: Fake Felix found

From	Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
Newsgroups	aus.computers, aus.politics, aus.cars
Subject	Re: Fake Felix found
Date	2017-02-04 20:42 +0000
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Je?us <j@j.net> wrote:
> On 4 Feb 2017 19:40:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >Je?us <j@j.net> wrote:
> >> On 4 Feb 2017 14:15:05 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >Clocky <notgonn@happen.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 4/02/2017 3:32 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> > Gordon Levi <gordon@address.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> > [...]
> >> >> >> I have looked around for a word or two that covers the vehicles I am
> >> >> >> referring to. I have been using "small trucks" to include everything
> >> >> >> from a ute to an SUV but there is probably something that would make
> >> >> >> my meaning clear. I don't think you would describe your Hilux as a
> >> >> >> sports truck.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >   First of all, I wouldn't use the term "ute", because 1) vehicles in
> >> >> > the category "small trucks" aren't neccessarily utes - for example our
> >> >> > flat-tray Ford Ranger obviously isn't a 'ute', but does fall in the
> >> >> > "small trucks" category - and 2) a 'ute' isn't neccessarily a "small
> >> >> > truck", but can be a ute version of passenger car (i.e. Holden
> >> >> > Commodore).
> >> >> >
> >> >> 
> >> >> Refer to the manufacturers website, they call them utes.
> >> >
> >> >  I don't think any reasonable person would call a non-ute a 'ute'. Note
> >> >that my Ford Ranger is a *flat*-tray one, i.e. it doesn't have a
> >> >'bathtub' on it's back! Who on earth would call that a 'ute'.
> >> 
> >> Pretty much everyone I know, and those I don't know for that matter.
> >> Because it's a ute. Tray or tub is irrelevant.
> >
> >  Do you have anything which backs up your opinion?
> 
> Yes. 50+ years living in Australia.

  A nice, but not very compelling argument! :-)

> >The references I found
> >all mention/show 'tub' versions, not any others. See for example:
> >
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_(vehicle)>
> >
> >  Note that Wikipedia's 'Ute' page specifically says "an Australian and
> >New Zealand term for certain utility vehicles", i.e. the 'Ute_(vehicle)'
> >page is specifically about Australian (and New Zealand) use of the term.
> >
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_muster>
> >
> >  I don't think there will be (m)any flat-tray 'utes' at the Deni Ute
> >Muster.
> 
> Because traybacks don't look as pretty as with a tub or well body...
> 
> Honestly, I find this discussion almost bizarre. I was born in
> Australia and I never knew there could possibly be any debate about
> what a 'ute' is.  Utes supposedly originated in Australia too. 

  Yes, it is bizarre. We can agree on that.

> Look at any site for buying or selling vehicles...

  I'll have a look, also at the ones I used before buying our
(tub-version) Ford Ranger.

> https://www.mazda.com.au/utes-range/?gclid=CjwKEAiAlNbEBRCv9uy4j4SWrgwSJAB5MqJFh5w2GjLHAw-26GSm4u7Gk1dyujK6bzhtt0QBRcbRghoC0NLw_wcB
> 
> http://www.nissan.com.au/UTE?utm_campaign=FY17-AO-BRD-D-NAVARA&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_content&gclid=CjwKEAiAlNbEBRCv9uy4j4SWrgwSJAB5MqJFwJgIGDpFt2g7pgn_eI-n4o2KpjoXnz09eJdKFEd0fhoClyXw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
> 
> http://www.autotrader.com.au/cars-body/ute-for-sale/
> 
> http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-trayback+ute/k0?fromSearchBox=true
> 
> http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xute.TRS0&_nkw=ute&_sacat=0
> 
> A ute is a ute. It can have a tray or well body, they are exactly the
> same vehicle aside from that minor difference. It's as simple as that.

  Hmmm! There's a thought: Perhaps a 'ute' is a vehicle which must be
available in both (flat-)tray *and* tub version. Note "*and*", because
if it's just "or", there a vehicles which have a (flat-)tray, but which
nobody (in Oz) in their right mind would call a 'ute' (for example a
*large* flat-tray truck).

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