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Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure

From	Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
References	(13 earlier) <r5j8ve$gqs$1@dont-email.me> <Uq9gG.96244$ss3.12507@fx20.am4> <r5rh88$2of$2@dont-email.me> <e66e5bfd48f05fb3df1bc5cdbaa39806@dizum.com> <slrnr835ps.7p1.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Subject	Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure
Message-ID	<e124c2018f8de447f08ef81d0e3112f5@dizum.com> (permalink)
Date	2020-03-31 04:11 +0200
Newsgroups	alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization	dizum.com - The Internet Problem Provider

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In article <slrnr835ps.7p1.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>
Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:
>
> The ugly sow's lapdog, aka the Foreskin Peeler (you know, that
> cowardly retard that sometimes calls itself "Ördög"), having
> another shot at imitating a human life form, called itself
> Nomen Nescio and wrote:
> > anonlinuxuser wrote:
> > > Melzzzzz wrote:
> > > > anonlinuxuser wrote:
> > > > > Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> ----snip----
>
> > > > > > I saw PCs deployed in production running Linux doing the same
> > > > > > thing as UNIX machines priced a hundred times more. No one
> > > > > > thought of using Windows machines instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, that could have been that then.
> > > > > Looking back from old articles, the old VAXes ran around $250,000
> > > > > or more, the SGI machines ran around $50,000, Sun systems ran
> > > > > around that same price. Average home user couldn't afford that.
> > > > > So, I do see where Linux could have killed off UNIX vendors.
> > > > >
> > > > > A lot of the other non-UNIX vendor like Data General, Apollo,
> > > > > and others just disappeared. Some of these companies weren't
> > > > > aware of the trend then and just went down the tubes.
> > > >
> > > > So x86 based, cheap servers won! But nowadays they are not that
> > > > cheap
>
> I bought an ARM back in 1987. *That* was expensive, but since then all
> my machines have been cheap. The x86 family and similar have been cheap
> all along. I moved from the ARM to the cheapor "pc" family when a real
> operating system (Linux) became available for them.
>
> It's very sad that Gary didn't think to do what Linus later did. (Well,
> except for the FOSS factor).
>
> > > Pretty much. The cost of a $4500 pc vs a $50000+ UNIX machine is a
> > > no brainer for most people.
>
> I build my own from parts just behind the bleeding edge. $1500 or so is
> enough for a high end desktop. Throw away the screen and bung in some
> extra disks and you've got a high end server.
>
> My present file/print server is an Athlon II, many years old now, running
> Slackware 13.37, and managing 16 TB of disk space for the network. Don't
> know exactly what it cost, but case, processor, memory and m/b together
> cost less than $1000 (and the processor is now priced in the *tens* of
> dollars on eBay). The four 4 Tb drives were maybe $200 each.
>
> And except for the disk space, I consider it over-spec, and expect it
> to give good reliable service for many more years.
>
> > Put a server OS on a $4500 "pc" and you deserve the fruit of the
> > investment.
>
> You're an idiot, Yap-Yap.  Hardware *can* fail, but it's rare. That's
> *why* server frailty is pretty much limited to sofware. (And *that* is
> why they run Linux instead of Windows.)

Your POS home built crap wouldn't reliably support a 25 person 
workgroup for a year without falling apart.

> And... you're an idiot, Yap-Yap. Hardware *can* fail, but it's rare.
> That's why cost is such an important consideration in what determines
> whether to run microcomputers instead of minicomputers or mainframes.

Yeah yeah, another home user linux genius hacks up a hairball.

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Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Johann Beretta <beretta@nun-ya-bizness.com> - 2020-03-25 03:14 -0700
  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-25 13:13 -0600
  Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-25 20:57 +0100
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-25 16:25 -0600
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-26 08:18 +0000
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 09:57 +0100
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:23 +0000
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 04:35 +0100
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 13:18 -0600
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 01:42 +0100
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 19:28 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 17:48 +0100
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:47 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-03-27 21:00 +0000
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 16:16 -0600
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:22 +0000
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-26 07:33 -0500
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure mixed nuts <melopsitticus@undulatus.budgie> - 2020-03-26 10:56 -0400
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 13:17 -0600
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:52 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 16:05 -0600
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 03:04 +0100
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 22:25 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "lucent tpm" <telco@example.com> - 2020-03-27 16:53 +0100
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 17:19 +0100
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-27 08:03 +0000
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:50 -0600
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-27 06:59 -0500
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-27 12:52 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-29 22:46 +0000
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-29 19:14 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 06:50 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-30 06:59 +0000
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-29 22:37 +0000
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-29 19:15 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 06:30 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-30 01:52 -0500
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-03-30 09:26 -0400
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-30 12:03 -0500
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-03-31 08:55 -0400
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-31 03:18 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-31 04:11 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2020-03-31 08:03 -0500
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-31 15:26 +0100
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-31 18:55 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 05:59 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-30 07:28 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 03:46 +0100
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 14:01 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-29 22:36 +0000
              Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-29 19:17 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 07:16 +0200
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 09:19 -0600
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2020-03-30 07:01 +0000
                Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-30 09:21 -0600
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-26 09:52 +0100
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 13:46 +0100
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2020-03-26 07:51 -0500
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2020-03-26 10:34 -0400
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:49 +0100
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 00:23 +0100
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 19:29 -0600
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-27 14:07 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-27 17:35 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2020-03-30 08:41 +0200
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-26 13:54 +0100
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-26 15:44 +0100
    Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:19 +0000
      Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 13:46 +0100
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 12:55 +0000
        Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-03-26 15:50 +0000
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2020-03-26 16:05 +0000
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 00:02 +0100
          Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:56 +0100
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2020-03-26 21:13 +0000
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure anonlinuxuser <linuxuser@noone.net> - 2020-03-26 16:08 -0600
            Re: Unix at 50 How the OS that powered smartphones started from failure "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2020-03-27 01:15 +0100

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