Re: Seven unanswered questions concerning the western world’s intake of Syrian refugees

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Seven unanswered questions concerning the western world’s intake of Syrian refugees
Date	2015-10-05 04:25 +1100
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felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote

> http://www.xyz.net.au/seven-unanswered-questions-concerning-western-worlds-intake-syrian-refugees/

> The United Nations and the European Union have spent a lot of time 
> lecturing mainly western nations, together with those member states in 
> central Europe, on the need to accept more and more Syrian refugees.

Which is a bit rich given that the absolute vast bulk of the
'refugees' are in fact the result of the fucking over the west
has been doing in the middle east for centurys now.

> Most reasonable people are well aware that the Assad regime, together with 
> the savages calling themselves Islamic State, have made much of Syria an 
> apocalyptic wasteland, if not something resembling a Medieval vision of 
> hell.

And IS wouldn’t have happened if the west had not invaded Iraq, twice.

> Most reasonable people would, then, understand why the innocent population 
> caught up in this horror might well want to flee Syria, and would consider 
> it right for their government to offer sanctuary, and the chance of a new 
> life, to people in this situation.

But were very reluctant to do that with the jews in the runup to WW2.

> This is, generally, the narrative being perpetuated by stern faced 
> diplomats, a willing media, and the self-appointed guardians of public 
> morality, around the western world. If it were true, one would have little 
> argument with it. But is it true? Here are seven questions about the 
> European immigration crisis that remain largely unanswered, if not 
> actively ignored, by those running the prevailing narrative, and pursuing 
> the UN / EU agenda for mass resettlement. Isn’t it about time that those 
> telling us we need to open our hearts, and our borders, started answering 
> questions like this, and stopped shouting down those asking them as 
> racists and bigots? So here we go…

> 1. Why are so many of the Syrian “refugees” not actually Syrian? Reports 
> based on the EU’s own numbers show that as many as four out of five 
> claiming to be refugees fleeing the civil war in Syria are not actually 
> Syrian (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Number-refugees-arriving-Europ…).

Those number are WAY out of date.

> 2. Why are the vast majority young men?

Because those with even half a clue have noticed that it’s a lot easier
for young men to move around in that situation and then get the
women and kids to join them when they have found somewhere
that allows them to move to their country like Germany does.

> Surely men, fleeing their homes in fear of their lives, would be taking 
> their loved ones with them? The men I know would be.

Even sillier than you usually manage, bigot boy.

> So why are these men leaving their wives and children, and parents and 
> grandparents, at home in the war zone?

They don’t. MILLIONS of them are in adjacent moslem countrys, bigot boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> How can one with a straight face possibly claim that a group of many 
> thousands made up almost entirely of young men

Another bare faced lie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> are genuinely representative of a civilian population fleeing their home 
> town in fear of their lives?

Have fun explaining these, bigot boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> 3. How can it be that is safe to return to the place you fled from? The 
> world was stunned, and shocked, by images of a drowned toddler on a 
> Turkish beach, and further shocked that the child’s father turned out to 
> be the captain of the ill-fated people smuggling boat.

And that should show even a rabid bigot like you why so many
choose to do that as single men and then get the wife and kids
to join them later when they do manage to get refugee status
in some place like Germany or Canada etc and leave them in
a relatively safe place like Turkey or Jordan or Lebanon instead
of putting them in a fucking rubber boat in the Mediterrean.

> As sad and as tragic as it was, the narrative that he and his family were 
> fleeing persecution, and certain death, in Kobane Syria,

No one cept bigots like you said anything about certain death, bigot boy.

> was made a complete mockery of when he returned to Kobane Syria within 
> days to bury his lost family.

BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY DEAD, FUCKWIT.

> 4. The very definition of a refugee is one who must flee their home 
> country for the next safe place of sanctuary 
> (http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c125.html). Turkey is an eminently safe 
> nation.

And that is why MILLIONS of them are there, fuckwit.

> So too is Greece, as is Macedonia, ditto Romania. Bulgaria is not bad 
> either, and Italy, Hungary, Slovenia and Slovakia all tick a lot of boxes.

None of them want them there, fuckwit.

> Austria is a veritable paradise compared to many other parts of the world, 
> inclusive of Syria. So why would genuine refugees, fleeing persecution in 
> a land thousands of miles away, cross multiple borders all over Asia Minor 
> and eastern Europe, if not in order to reach a destination of choice, 
> where the land is flowing with welfare milk and honey?

Could be that they have noticed that some places like Germany
have decided that they are happy to accept something like 800K
of them, fuckwit.

> Surely, at any common sense level, this makes them economic migrants not 
> refugees? So why go on insisting they are refugees?

Because that is what most of them are, fuckwit.

> Unless you are wanting to preserve a fiction and perpetuate a lie?

Pity about the MILLIONS in adjacent moslem countrys, fuckwit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> 5. Why is it that only European and other western nations are being 
> lectured by the UN and EU about accepting their “fair share” of these 
> economic migrants?

Could be because the adjacent moslem countrys
already have MILLIONS OF THEM, fuckwit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> How many have Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, the UAE, and the other 
> Gulf States accepted?

Those are a lot further away from Syria and harder
to get to than Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan, fuckwit.

> Surely the largely Muslim people fleeing Syria would be more comfortable, 
> and assimilate more readily, into nations that already share their 
> language and faith.

Clearly MILLIONS of them feel that way, fuckwit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> The Gulf States are generally not short of a dollar either, and might 
> easily match the welfare bonanza on offer in places like Germany and 
> Sweden. So why aren’t the Gulf States helping?

They are. And Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon in spades.

> And why has the world’s media, perversely, singled out as not doing enough 
> among all of the States of the Middle East, Israel? 
> (http://www.latimes.com/…/la-fg-syrian-refugees-israel-20150…).

That isn't the world's media, fuckwit.

> 6. Why only the west?

It isn't only the west.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> If it’s good enough for people who don’t speak a word of Swedish to be 
> resettled in Sweden, or somewhere else in northern Europe for that matter, 
> then why not Japan, or South Korea, or somewhere else in south east Asia?

They have their own refugees, fuckwit.

> How many migrants did Iran, China, Mexico, Argentina, or Russia accept in 
> the last year. Why is it only the western nations who are given the UN / 
> EU guilt treatment?

Because the countrys adjacent to Syria are already
doing FAR more than western countrys are doing and they
didn’t produce the problem in the first place, the west did.

> 7. How many among those claiming to be refugees are attracted to, or 
> committed to, the expression of Islam favoured by Islamic State?

Unlikely they'd be leaving Syria if they did, fuckwit.

> How many want to see sharia law imposed on the country in which they are 
> ultimately settled?

Likely sweet fuck all given the Syria doesn’t have that.

> How many are hardened jihadist’s already?

Fuck all given that those stay in Syria.

> How many are radicalised?

Fuck all given that those stay in Syria.

> How many will become radicalised in their country of  settlement?

Fuck all given that those stay in Syria.

> What percentage is too high a risk? Can a western nations tolerate 1%, 2% 
> or up to 10% of those resettled being sympathisers with Islamic State ?

They wouldn’t be leaving Syria, fuckwit.

> How many street shootings and random beheadings are we willing to accept 
> by sighing and reminding ourselves it’s only a tiny unrepresentative 
> minority?

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> There are uncomfortable questions, but it is simply not good enough to 
> refuse to answer and hope for the best. Our children and grandchildren 
> deserve better.

Usual utterly mindless silly stuff.

> Personally I would happily, and I do mean happily, welcome and embrace 
> genuine refugees, fleeing genuine persecution, into my own country, and I 
> fully support my government in doing so.

Obvious lie.

> But I will not be lectured to by a corrupt organisation like the United 
> Nations, or the po-faced career bureaucrats of the European Union, about 
> who and what a refugee is.

You wouldn’t know what a real refugee was
if one bit you on your lard arse, bigot boy.

> Especially when the evidence is staring at you in face that the vast 
> majority of those masquerading as Syrian refugees are opportunists, in 
> search of a better life.

All these, eh ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

> And good luck to them for desiring and wanting better. But let’s not 
> maintain the patent fiction of calling them refugees and giving them a 
> free pass to the west ahead of countless other genuine refugees 
> languishing in camps all over the world, when they are clearly not. Not 
> only is that wrong, it is inherently immoral.

You're a lying arsehole.

> Until such time as these seven question can be adequately answered, I will 
> not, and do not, support the mass resettlement of economic migrants using 
> the Syrian conflict as a pretext for forced resettlement in the west.

You have always been and always will be, completely and utterly irrelevant.

What you may or may not 'support' in spades.

> Source: Four out of five migrants are NOT from Syria.. 
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3240010/Number-refugees-arriving-Europe-soars-85-year-just-one-five-war-torn-Syria.html

Those numbers are WAY out of date, bigot boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War

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