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Re: The unbearable asymmetry of neo-Nazi bullshit!

From Kick your Nazi butt back to the stone age <zyklonB-cure@4nazi-fuckers.biz>
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Subject Re: The unbearable asymmetry of neo-Nazi bullshit!
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Date 2017-05-16 04:33 +0000
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Topaz whined "Sieg Heil":
 
>    Capitalism results in the few very rich and the many very poor.

... and as history have clearly shown Capitalism culminates with Nazism.

*Was Adolf Hitler a Socialist? Debunking a Historical Myth*

source:
"https://www.thoughtco.com/was-adolf-hitler-a-socialist-1221367"

"The Myth: Adolf Hitler, starter of World War 2 in Europe and driving 
force behind the Holocaust, was a socialist.

The Truth: Hitler hated socialism and communism and worked to destroy 
these ideologies. Nazism, confused as it was, was based on race, and 
fundamentally different from class focused socialism.
Hitler as Conservative Weapon

Twenty-first century commentators like to attack left leaning policies by 
calling them socialist, and occasionally follow this up by explaining how 
Hitler, the mass murdering dictator around whom the twentieth century 
pivoted, was a socialist himself.

There’s no way anyone can, or ever should, defend Hitler, and so things 
like health-care reform are equated with something terrible, a Nazi 
regime which sought to conquer an empire and commit several genocides. 
The problem is, this is a distortion of history.
Hitler as the Scourge of Socialism

Richard Evans, in his magisterial three volume history of Nazi Germany, 
is quite clear on whether Hitler was a socialist: “…it would be wrong to 
see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth of, socialism.” (The Coming of 
the Third Reich, Evans, p. 173). Not only was Hitler not a socialist 
himself, nor a communist, but he actually hated these ideologies and did 
his utmost to eradicate them. At first this involved organizing bands of 
thugs to attack socialists in the street, but grew into invading Russia, 
in part to enslave the population and earn ‘living ‘ room for Germans, 
and in part to wipe out communism and ‘Bolshevism’.

More on the early Nazis.

The key element here is what Hitler did, believed and tried to create. 
Nazism, confused as it was, was fundamentally an ideology built around 
race, while socialism was entirely different: built around class. Hitler 
aimed to unite the right and left, including workers and their bosses, 
into a new German nation based on the racial identity of those in it.

Socialism, in contrast, was a class struggle, aiming to build a workers 
state, whatever race the worker was from. Nazism drew on a range of pan-
German theories, which wanted to blend Aryan workers and Aryan magnates 
into a super Aryan state, which would involve the eradication of class 
focused socialism, as well as Judaism and other ideas deemed non-German.

When Hitler came to power he attempted to dismantle trade unions and the 
shell that remained loyal to him; he supported the actions of leading 
industrialists, actions far removed from socialism which tends to want 
the opposite. Hitler used the fear of socialism and communism as a way of 
terrifying middle and upper class Germans into supporting him. Workers 
were targeted with slightly different propaganda, but these were promises 
simply to earn support, to get into power, and then to remake the workers 
along with everyone else into a racial state. There was to be no 
dictatorship of the proletariat as in socialism; there was just to be the 
dictatorship of the Fuhrer.

The belief that Hitler was a socialist seems to have emerged from two 
sources: the name of his political party, the National Socialist German 
Worker’s Party, or Nazi Party, and the early presence of socialists in it.
The National Socialist German Worker’s Party

While it does look like a very socialist name, the problem is that 
‘National Socialism’ is not socialism, but a different, fascist ideology. 
Hitler had originally joined when the party was called the German 
Worker’s Party, and he was there as a spy to keep an eye on it. It was 
not, as the name suggested, a devotedly left wing group, but one Hitler 
thought had potential, and as Hitler’s oratory became popular the party 
grew and Hitler became a leading figure.

At this point ‘National Socialism’ was a confused mishmash of ideas with 
multiple proponents, arguing for nationalism, anti-Semitism, and yes, 
some socialism. The party records don’t record the name change, but it’s 
generally believed a decision was taken to rename the party to attract 
people, and partly to forge links with other ‘national socialist’ parties.

The meetings began to be advertised on red banners and posters, hoping 
for socialists to come in and then be confronted, sometimes violently: 
the party was aiming to attract as much attention and notoriety as 
possible. But the name was not Socialism, but National Socialism and as 
the 20s and 30s progressed, this became an ideology Hitler would expound 
upon at length and which, as he took control, ceased to have anything to 
do with socialism.

‘National Socialism’ and Nazism

Hitler’s National Socialism, and quickly the only National Socialism 
which mattered, wished to promote those of ‘pure’ German blood, removing 
citizenship for Jews and aliens, and promoted eugenics, including the 
execution of the disabled and mentally ill. National Socialism did 
promote equality among Germans who passed their racist criteria, and 
submitted the individual to the will of the state, but did so as a right-
wing racial movement which sought a nation of healthy Aryans living in a 
thousand year Reich, which would be achieved through war. In Nazi theory, 
a new, unified class was to be formed instead of religious, political and 
class divides, but this was to be done by rejecting ideologies such as 
liberalism, capitalism and socialism, and instead pursue a different 
idea, of the Volksgemeinschaft (people’s community), built on war and 
race, ‘blood and soil’, and German heritage. Race was to be the heart of 
Nazism, as opposed to class focused socialism.

Before 1934 some in the party did promote anti-capitalist and socialist 
ideas, such as profit-sharing, nationalization and old-age benefits, but 
these were merely tolerated by Hitler as he gathered support, dropped 
once he secured power and often later executed, such as Gregor Strasser. 
There was no socialist redistribution of wealth or land under Hitler – 
although some property changed hands thanks to looting and invasion - and 
while both industrialists and workers were courted, it was the former who 
benefitted and the latter who found themselves the target of empty 
rhetoric.

Indeed, Hitler became convinced that socialism was intimately connected 
to his even more long standing hatred - the Jews – and thus hated it even 
more. Socialists were the first to be locked up in concentration camps. 
More on the Nazi rise to power and creation of the dictatorship.

It’s worth pointing out that all aspects of Nazism had forerunners in the 
nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, and Hitler tended to cobble his 
ideology together from them; some historians think that ‘ideology’ gives 
Hitler too much credit for something which can be hard to pin down. He 
knew how to take things which made the socialists popular and apply them 
to give his party a boost. But historian Neil Gregor, in his introduction 
to a discussion of Nazism which includes many experts, says:

   “As with other fascist ideologies and movements it subscribed to an 
ideology of national renewal, rebirth, and rejuvenation manifesting 
itself in extreme populist radical nationalism, militarism, and – in 
contradistinction to many other forms of fascism, extreme biological 
racism…the movement understood itself to be, and indeed was, a new form 
of political movement…the anti-Socialist, anti-liberal, and radical 
nationalist tenets of Nazi ideology applied particularly to the 
sentiments of a middle class disorientated by the domestic and 
international upheavals in the inter-war period.” (Neil Gregor, Nazism, 
Oxford, 2000 p 4-5.)

Aftermath

Intriguingly, despite this being one of the most clear cut articles on 
this site, it has been by far the most controversial, while statements on 
the origins of World War One and other actual historical controversies 
have passed by. This is a sign of the way modern political commentators 
still like to invoke the spirit of Hitler to try to make points."


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