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Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls?

From useapen <yourdime@outlook.com>
Newsgroups alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, talk.politics.guns, chi.politics
Subject Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls?
Date 2026-04-21 07:42 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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An Illinois defense attorney is charging there are too many dead people
on the state’s jury pools, a claim bolstered by ChatGPT. 

If true, it not only has significance for criminal justice reform, but
implications for election integrity. 

The story is developing at the same time the Department of Justice (DOJ)
has sued 29 states and Washington, D.C., for stonewalling federal voter
roll audits. 

A national survey of one third of the country’s voters yielded 350,000
dead registrants and 25,000 individuals with no citizenship records,
Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights Harmeet Dhillon told Fox
host Maria Bartiromo. 

And that’s among the states showing high compliance with voter
registration requirements. 

James Mertes, a criminal defense attorney in Whiteside County, Illinois,
said that dead people’s names are also turning up on recent lists of
potential jurors. 

Now, he and county prosecutors are questioning whether Illinois has
sufficient safeguards to purge the deceased from its jury pools. 

The case sits at an uncomfortable intersection of two issues that rarely
share the same sentence: judicial fairness, a priority of the left, and
election integrity, a priority of the right. 

Both concerns trace back to the same corrupted state databases.

The issue surfaced in the case of Michael Cover, charged with felony
aggravated battery of a police officer, reported local WHBF Davenport,
Quad Cities News. 

Mertes, representing Cover, 32, discovered that the county clerk was
using a jury list that improperly excluded potential jurors. 

The clerk was excluding anyone under 21, over 80, anyone who owed the
county clerk money, anyone with a pending civil case and anyone ever
charged with a criminal case in the county. 

“The person doing the jury selection, that’s how she was taught,”
Circuit Clerk Sue Scott told Quad Cities News. “So how long it’s been in
place, I have no idea. Nor does she.” 

A judge threw out the jury pool.

A second attempt with a blindfolded clerk drawing names randomly from a
box used the same flawed underlying list, said the Chicago Tribune. 

A judge tossed that list out too.

A new pool was generated using ChatGPT to randomly pull names from a
state-provided list of 48,000 county residents. 

Of 200 names produced, 60 were dead.

The average age of the remaining potential jurors was 72 with the
youngest at 42, reported the Tribune. 

The list raised immediate questions.

Whiteside County’s 2020 U.S. Census adult population was approximately
43,000. 

That means the state’s list of 48,000 names was mathematically larger
than present population. 

Mertes argued the skewed pool – older, whiter and containing deceased
individuals – violated both state and federal constitutions. 

“It’s extremely difficult to believe this problem doesn’t exist in other
counties,” he said, according to the Tribune. “Our system of justice is
predicated on the idea that a jury represents a fair cross section of
the community, so you get different perspectives.” 

Illinois collects data from voter rolls, driver’s licenses and Social
Security to create jury lists. 

The case highlights the importance of centralized list integrity, since
the same databases feeding Illinois jury pools also feed its voter
rolls. 

Under Illinois automatic voter registration, any interaction with a
participating state agency triggers voter registration unless you opt
out. 

That includes the Secretary of State for driver’s licenses and state
IDs, but also for public benefits. 

Except for Social Security, none of the lists purges the dead or screens
for citizenship. 

Whiteside County State’s Attorney Colleen Buckwalter conceded the
problems, stating in court that her office had received no guarantee
that the pool had been purged of the deceased, noted the Tribune. 

The Illinois State Board of Elections receives monthly death data from
the U.S. Social Security Administration and the Illinois Department of
Public Health but forwards it only to local election authorities. 

“We don’t have authority to register or remove voters from voter rolls,”
Board of Elections spokesperson Matt Dietrich said in an email to the
Tribune. “That is solely the responsibility of local election
authorities.” 

The good news is if authorities move to clean up jury pool source lists,
which is a straightforward 6th Amendment argument, the U.S. gets cleaner
voter rolls as a byproduct. 

Dhillon said the problem is nationwide, not just limited to Illinois.

“Just recently, someone was indicted in Minnesota, of all places, for
voting without being a citizen, and so I’ve sent a document request to
them on that,” the DOJ’s Dhillon told Fox. “Minnesota has a weird
vouching law that allows citizens to vouch for each other’s
citizenship.” 

https://readlion.com/illinois-jury-lists-contain-dead-people-what-about-t
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Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? useapen <yourdime@outlook.com> - 2026-04-21 07:42 +0000
  Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-04-21 13:13 +0000
    Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-04-21 10:53 -0400
      Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Lee <cleetis@gmail.com> - 2026-04-21 15:18 +0000
        Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2026-04-21 23:51 +0000
          Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-04-22 01:44 +0000
            Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-04-22 09:54 -0600
          Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-04-21 22:22 -0700
            Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-04-22 12:52 +0000
              Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-04-22 09:55 -0600
                Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-04-22 17:33 +0000
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              Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-04-22 10:18 -0700
          Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 22:13 -0400
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        Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2026-04-21 18:42 -0700
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        Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? "Donald J. Trump" <epstein@maga.gop> - 2026-04-21 21:16 +0000
        Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-04-22 03:48 -0500
    Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? "max headroom" <maximusheadroom@gmx.com> - 2026-04-21 08:46 -0700
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            Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-04-22 18:15 +0000
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        Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-04-22 09:57 -0600
    Re: Illinois jury lists contain dead people. What about the voter rolls? Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-04-22 22:12 -0400
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