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Date 2025-02-23 23:32 +0000
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Fascism, Nazism and Conservatism

European fascism drew on existing anti-modernist conservatism, and on the 
conservative reaction to communism and 19th-century socialism. 
Conservative thinkers such as historian Oswald Spengler provided much of 
the world view (Weltanschauung) of the Nazi movement. 

In Britain, the conservative Daily Mail enthusiastically backed Sir Oswald 
Mosley's British Union of Fascists, and part of the Conservative Party 
supported closer ties with Nazi Germany. 

When defeat in World War II ideologically and historically discredited 
fascism, almost all Western conservatives tried to distance themselves from 
it. Nevertheless, many post-war Western conservatives continued to admire 
the Franco regime in Spain, clearly conservative but also fascist in 
origin. With the end of the Franco regime and Portugal's Estado Novo in the 
1970s, the relationship between conservatism and classical European fascism 
was further weakened.

Militarism is perhaps the most striking similarity between Fascism and 
contemporary American conservatism. Of course, there are many liberals in 
America who support the military and even call for increased military 
spending. 

Even so, American liberals are traditionally more skeptical of the military 
than American conservatives. It is often said that Neoconservatives, like 
Hitler, see the military as a paradigm for problem solving (even in 
situations that may render militarism impractical or unethical).

The relationship of fascism to right-wing ideologies (including some that 
are described as neo-fascist) is still an issue for conservatives 
and their opponents. Especially in Germany, there is a constant exchange of 
ideology and persons, between the influential national-conservative 
movement, and self-identified national-socialist groups. 
In Italy too, there is no clear line between conservatives, and movements 
inspired by the Italian Fascism of the 1920s to 1940s, including the 
Alleanza Nazionale which is member of the governing coalition under premier 
Silvio Berlusconi. Conservative attitudes to the 20th-century fascist 
regimes are still an issue.




Under an ideological definition of Socialism, for example one stating that 
only a system adhering to the principles of Marxism can qualify as 
socialist there is a well-defined gap between Nazism and socialism. Nazi 
leaders were opposed to the Marxist idea of class conflict and opposed the 
idea that capitalism should be abolished and that workers should control 
the means of production. For those who consider class conflict and the 
abolition of capitalism as essential components of socialism, these factors 
alone are sufficient to categorize "National Socialism" as non-socialist.

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