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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com>
news:t2j8hfhf456f5njpqiaa1uvvods54kiepq@4ax.com Sun, 19 Jul 2020
13:47:48 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 

> Diesel <nobody@haph.org> wrote:
>>Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
>>news:hnblm5F2krpU1@mid.individual.net Thu, 16 Jul 2020 18:47:32
>>GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote: 
>>> On 7/16/20 6:20 AM, Joel wrote:
>> 
>>>> Of course there
>>>> should be a way to copy those files, but it wouldn't be any
>>>> less trouble than just putting in my Gmail password, etc., to
>>>> the various sites I use.  Bookmarks would just be a simple
>>>> export and import from the Ubuntu Firefox to the Mozilla
>>>> generic Linux Firefox.  But neither method is worthwhile since
>>>> Ubuntu releases updates to Firefox regularly.
>>> 
>>> Makes sense. And what you explained to me was concise, on topic,
>>> and explained your situation and the details of the secondary
>>> install just fine.
>>
>>Not really. He didn't know enough about the OS and assumed things 
>>which just weren't true.
> 
> 
> Bullshit.  *You* "assumed things" about my knowledge "which just
> weren't true".  You put words in my mouth, you've done it multiple
> times in this thread on multiple subjects.

I assumed nothing about you, Joel. 

Let's begin:

Message-ID: <l4k0hf5v8oustfinqfpis5qfs9v60vve95@4ax.com>
I wrote:

> or his /home folder or damn 
>near any other place he wants. And he can, whenever he likes, copy 
>the distro browsers info to the non distro version. His history,
>the cookies, bookmarks, even the fucking cache itself if he
>actually wanted it for some reason. Again, he wouldn't have told
>you no and given you a lazy generic reason for why if he really
>knew the OS as well as he lets on. 

And you responded with this:

I don't claim to know Linux all that well, actually.  I learn what I 
need to install and use it, but I knew a lot more about Windows.  I 
was a Windows fan, I was a poster in aco.windows-10, one of the
groups in this thread, before I switched to Linux.  Microsoft lost
my support with their horrible Windows 10 indefinite beta test. 

*** end share

Now onto what you didn't/still don't know about your profile:

Message-ID: <l4k0hf5v8oustfinqfpis5qfs9v60vve95@4ax.com>

I wrote this in direct reference to your profile:
> He doesn'tseem to know the folders location or the actual names of
> the fileshe needs to copy. 

And you responded with this:


I could find that out, though, if it were important to me.

***

Message-ID: <ro73hfpos8pbs6b9bfiotcqnq5l5558agr@4ax.com>
I wrote this in response to the above:
>Fact is, you don't currently know the location to your browsers 
>profile right?

And you responded with this:

I haven't had a reason to investigate that, but it would be trivial
to do, I'm quite sure.  
*** end

Snit showed you how to ask your browser to tell you where it was 
presently storing it's profile data. You provided the results and 
thanked him. Here's the MID:

Message-ID: <i193hf5k1t6uvkbibto89rsepsn2o7pfct@4ax.com>

I wrote this question to you:

>> Fact is, you don't currently know the location to your browsers
>> profile right?

Snit responded with this:

>
>In case he does not, it will give him the direct path in Help > 
>Troubleshooting under "Profile Folder". 
>
>See: this might be a better way to move things along faster --
>there is a good chance he DOES know, but in case he does not that
>right there will tell him. Perhaps you did not know that method to
>quickly find it. Maybe you did. 

And you responded to snit with this:

Your method did work within seconds.  This is a line in the
Troubleshooting Information page:

Profile Directory 	
/home/joel/.mozilla/firefox/ykx1bc5f.default-release

*** end snippit

So enough with your bullshit, Joel. I didn't misunderstand a single 
thing you wrote, and prior to my telling you (and snit showing you 
another way to find it) you had no idea where your profile 
information was kept. You were fucking around with the binaries, and 
you didn't even realize you could tell Linux not to hold your hand, 
that you actually do know what you're doing and it's okay to let you 
perform a write. Linux works one of two ways, it babysits you (a 
modern distro), or you 0wn the machine. Your choice, but it's one or 
the other.

>No, it would install to my /home directory, and run independently of
>Ubuntu's version.  Having to log into all the sites I use would be a
>waste of effort, since Ubuntu will no doubt release an update before
>long.

Incidently, I know Snit tossed you a lifeline with the portable 
version instructions from 2017. I know it's a lifeline and it's not 
what you were originally writing about because you specifically 
mentioned the distro vs non distro but official MZ versions. Well, MZ 
(Mozilla) doesn't release any portable firefox versions. And, it 
doesn't get 'installed' - that would defeat the purpose.

And, the portable version doesn't know anything about your already 
existing installation - which includes your already existing profile. 
it's entirely self contained. You can add your information to it if 
you'd like and carry it with you on a USB stick from system to 
system.

You could, if you so desired unarchive it off a folder off home, 
sure, but you wouldn't be installing it, and it wouldn't be affected 
in any way shape or form by anything Ubuntu does. It also wouldn't 
most likely self update to a later edition, you'd have to do that 
process yourself and run the 3rd party tools all over again to make 
it portable.

You said nothing of the portable option, infact:

Message-ID: <l4k0hf5v8oustfinqfpis5qfs9v60vve95@4ax.com>
>How is what I wrote not as concise and clear as what he wrote to 
>you? Further, I provided you more specific information than he did. 
>He was of the mistaken impression that he couldn't load the non
>distro version and copy all of his things over to it.


You have a strong tendency to put words in my mouth.  Of course there
should be a way to copy those files, but it wouldn't be any less
trouble than just putting in my Gmail password, etc., to the various
sites I use.  Bookmarks would just be a simple export and import from
the Ubuntu Firefox to the Mozilla generic Linux Firefox.  But neither
method is worthwhile since Ubuntu releases updates to Firefox
regularly.
***

Joel, are you running firefox plain jane as it ships from your 
distro, aside from your own bookmarks? Are you using any 3rd party 
plugins? If not, then sure, go about things the long way if you'd 
like. Otherwise, cp your profile and you get to keep everything as it 
presently is, along with your bookmarks, browser history, cookies, 
cache, etc. Plugins, too. Yes, and whatever configuration changes 
you've made to the browser and/or it's look and feel.

Or, do you just redo all that everytime you change distros or OSes? 
Did you know the profile itself is OS independent, Joel? You could 
keep a copy on USB and migrate from Windows to Linux, or from Linux 
back to Windows. 

If you opt to go with the portable version, you can give it a copy of 
your profile off your home folder, and it can look and function just 
like your presently installed version, the only difference is, you 
can cp it's folder to a usb stick and bring it with you, it's 
entirely self contained, will run right off that stick if you wanted.

You've been vague with what you've written, and I suspect at this 
point it's been intentional so you can play as if you know more than 
you actually do, so when someone, like me, basically calls out the 
stupid remarks you made previously, you can try and play the game of 
'I didn't say that, that's not what I actually meant. I already knew 
that, I was just checking to see if you did." You both, really do, 
need to find a new audience if that's how you want to play things. 
Nobody here, aside from Asshat David Brooks (BoaterDave) the stalker 
is going to bother with it, and even he's not actually that stupid - 
he's the kind of guy who follows the any enemy of my enemy is a 
friend of mine line of thought. He's out for himself.

>>He wasn't aware of the fact that his profile has been in his home 
>>folder the entire time. Infact, he told you it wasn't there and
>>the non distro would go there and that's why he didn't want to use
>>the non distro version. He was wrong. 
> 
> 
> You're just making that up.  The profile's location isn't relevant
> to what I was talking about with Snit.  The point is that the
> generic Linux Firefox would not automatically use the Ubuntu
> Firefox's profile.  You brought up the fact that I could copy it
> to the generic Firefox's folder, which I never disputed, but it
> wasn't the issue I was discussing with Snit.

I didn't make anything up. YOU DID NOT KNOW where it was kept. I 
provided two examples of you demonstrating that in this reply. So, 
quit trying to BS your actual knowledge here. You'll do no better 
than Pooh or Snit did.

The generic firefox is not the portable 'version' Snit tossed you a 
life raft with, there, Joel. That's made portable via 3rd party 
tools; Mozilla doesn't offer a 'portable firefox'. And, the generic 
one as offered from Mozilla will not install into your /home folder 
by default, no. 

And it's location is relevant. If you went with the generic installed 
Firefox, it already knows where to look for an existing profile. It 
would have used it. You wouldn't have lost anything. But, if you used 
the DE via software package manager to get the generic version, the 
OS is now aware of it directly and will attempt to keep you updated; 
as well as your OS version if you didn't opt to overwrite it with the 
generic one. The only real difference between the two of them, as I 
told you previously, is going to be branding. 

There's also a 'fix' for the auto update that you can invoke via CLI 
or via the DE to specifically tell your OS to keep certain packages 
at the version they are as is now, not to update them for any reason 
unless you specifically say it's okay later. Use that option with 
caution, obviously. If you get yourself too far behind on some 
things, you may not easily be able to advance yourself along.

>>Oh, and btw, the profile folder isn't where your firefox binaries
>>are stored, either. Overwriting the contents of your profile
>>folder does NOT touch the binaries. They are located in another
>>place on the machine.
> 
> 
> No one suggested otherwise.  I don't understand how that isn't
> clear to you.

Why were you fucking around where the distro's firefox binaries are 
stored?
 
>>I've made no false assumptions and I understand him just fine. He 
>>isn't as familiar with Linux as he's lead various people here to 
>>think. He's an end user who recently learned his mozilla profile
>>has been chilling in his home folder the entire time. That's
>>hardly an 'expert' linux user, Snit.
> 
> 
> That is the kind of crap that led to my first reply to you in the
> thread, when I got heated.  I'm trying not to, this time, but
> you're not making it easy, because you're lying about me.

No, I'm not.
Message-ID: <l4k0hf5v8oustfinqfpis5qfs9v60vve95@4ax.com>
I wrote:

> or his /home folder or damn 
>near any other place he wants. And he can, whenever he likes, copy 
>the distro browsers info to the non distro version. His history,
>the cookies, bookmarks, even the fucking cache itself if he
>actually wanted it for some reason. Again, he wouldn't have told
>you no and given you a lazy generic reason for why if he really
>knew the OS as well as he lets on. 

And you responded with this:

I don't claim to know Linux all that well, actually.  I learn what I 
need to install and use it, but I knew a lot more about Windows.  I 
was a Windows fan, I was a poster in aco.windows-10, one of the
groups in this thread, before I switched to Linux.  Microsoft lost
my support with their horrible Windows 10 indefinite beta test. 

*** end share

You inferred that you actually had some knowledge concerning Linux, 
on several occasions. Now, well, we know that you're an end user of 
Linux, you hardly know the basics concerning where things are 
normally kept. There's actually a 'semi order' to the 
folder/directory structure too, Joel. Just like with Windows, just 
the linux way.

Your heated, and smartassed reply is why I'm semi being a bit of a 
dick about this entire thing. What did you expect, though; you 
claimed I was an imbecile, amongst other lovely things. I figured, 
I'd take a little time out of my busy day and show you (well, the 
audience) that sometimes, well, maybe, one should take a moment and 
ponder on whether or not what they wrote, while heated or otherwise, 
is going to be something they can actually defend... Especially if, 
as has happened with you, they get called out on it and expose their 
wannabe IT knowledge for the usenet community (well, these newsgroups 
anyway) to see. I've read several threads by you, where you've been 
passing yourself off as having considerably more knowledge than I've 
been able to demonstrate as you actually having, first hand.

Next time you decide to call someone a series of colorful names as 
you did with one of your first replies to me, make sure you actually 
can back your statements up. I'd hate for yet another actual, 
technician who didn't flunk the fuck out, take you to school as I've 
done here. Have a nice Day!



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