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Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)

From Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org>
Newsgroups linux.debian.devel
Subject Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)
Date 2025-11-05 16:30 +0100
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Hi Jörg,

Am Tue, Nov 04, 2025 at 11:07:15PM +0100 schrieb Joerg Jaspert:
> It's a team that was created/delegated without the members actually
> asking

That response is astonishing to me. The suggestion to split the team
originated inside the former ftpmaster team[1] and was raised on
multiple occasions. Ftpmasters were informed about the planned
delegation split several weeks in advance. It was also mentioned in my
bits on debian-devel-announce[2], with a link to the delegation texts in
Git. I therefore expected comments from members of the FTPMaster team as
well as from the broader Debian community - and indeed received several
from people outside the FTPMaster team.

My last mail on the topic, sent to the ftpmasters' internal list, was:

  Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 18:02:53 +0200
  Message-ID: <aPeurfI7uVvPgd5a@an3as.eu>

  Since I haven't heard any objections or alternative proposals regarding
  the planned team split, I intend to proceed and send the updated
  delegations this weekend.

  Of course, if anyone has concerns or suggestions-especially about the
  timing or wording-please let me know before then. I'd be happy to adjust
  if needed.

> /wanting to go that way.

> So we now have to see how we deal with this
> mess that helps nothing at all except for some "Oh i delegated, magic now
> will happen" bullshit believes. Might take a day or three or something.

Unfortunately, no objections or alternative proposals were received, so
I proceeded with what seemed the most constructive path forward:
creating clearer scopes of responsibility to make it easier for new
contributors to join and for existing work to be shared more evenly.

I intend to continue supporting both teams, in particular by helping the
DFSG & Licensing team build up the capacity and structure it needs.
That's why I asked for volunteers and why I trust that new contributors
can help improve the situation for everyone involved.

The best way to shape how NEW processing evolves is by taking part in it
directly - volunteers are warmly invited to join the renewed DFSG &
Licensing team.

Kind regards
    Andreas.

[1] https://salsa.debian.org/debconf-team/public/data/dc24/-/blob/main/etherpad/txt/154-meet-the-ftpteam.txt#L67
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2025/10/msg00000.html

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Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-11-03 15:20 +0100
  Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Felipe Maia <felipegmaia@protonmail.com> - 2025-11-04 03:30 +0100
    Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Antoine Le Gonidec <vv221@debian.org> - 2025-11-04 14:40 +0100
      Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-11-04 16:50 +0100
        Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-11-04 23:10 +0100
          Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-11-05 16:30 +0100
            Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-11-07 22:40 +0100
              Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-11-10 21:10 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2025-11-11 01:00 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-11-14 17:00 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2025-11-12 19:40 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-11-12 20:50 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2025-11-12 23:10 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Joerg Jaspert <joerg@debian.org> - 2025-11-12 23:20 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-11-13 07:00 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) "Adam D. Barratt" <adam@adam-barratt.org.uk> - 2025-11-13 07:20 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2025-11-13 09:50 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Mechtilde Stehmann <mechtilde@debian.org> - 2025-11-13 10:10 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-11-13 12:10 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2025-12-02 00:10 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2025-11-13 10:00 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-11-13 14:40 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Ansgar 🙀 <ansgar@debian.org> - 2025-11-14 08:10 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-11-14 12:10 +0100
                every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new members  for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> - 2025-11-14 12:40 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Syed Shahrukh <syed.shahrukh@ossrevival.org> - 2025-11-14 13:00 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Andreas Tille <andreas@an3as.eu> - 2025-11-14 17:30 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name> - 2025-11-14 15:10 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org> - 2025-11-14 16:20 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Andrey Rakhmatullin <wrar@debian.org> - 2025-11-14 16:30 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Daniel Lenharo de Souza <lenharo@debian.org> - 2025-11-14 17:10 +0100
                Re: every day,  10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team  (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Soren Stoutner <soren@debian.org> - 2025-11-18 02:10 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Salvo Tomaselli <tiposchi@tiscali.it> - 2025-11-18 08:00 +0100
                Re: every day, 10 packages make it through NEW (Re: Seeking new  members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL)) Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> - 2025-11-14 16:50 +0100
                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Andreas Tille <tille@debian.org> - 2025-11-15 07:20 +0100
              Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Adrian Bunk <bunk@debian.org> - 2025-11-16 17:10 +0100
                dh_copyright (was: Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re:  Bits from the DPL)) Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> - 2025-11-16 18:00 +0100
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                Re: dh_copyright Antonio Russo <aerusso@aerusso.net> - 2025-11-16 20:10 +0100
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                Re: Seeking new members for the DFSG team (Re: Bits from the DPL) Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> - 2025-11-17 02:00 +0100
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