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| From | Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.misc |
| Subject | Re: An open letter to Elon Musk |
| Date | 2022-08-14 12:47 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <K3nSl8qrom6hhZTrn@bongo-ra.co> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <878ro6tmqc.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <SA02uRPv1pMDD06kX@bongo-ra.co> <8735edtkk1.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> <tcef5k$1eav$1@gioia.aioe.org> <87wnbos9rd.fsf@LkoBDZeT.terraraq.uk> |
On Thu, 04 Aug 2022 09:17:26 +0100
Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> writes:
> > 2022-08-03, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> schrieb:
> >> First if you block one person you still see the responses. You may be
> >> spared one particular idiot, but you still see the argument. You can
> >
> > Ever thought of filtering on the "References"-header?
>
> Yes, and I do. But it’s additional effort for every discussion, and if
> the subthread gets back on track then it produces false positives.
>
> The starting point of this subthread was “it’s a mystery why people
> don’t use filtering”. It is really not a mystery if you’re paying
> attention.
Let me mention 2 specific cases. There is a guy named Pascal Bourguignon who
used to be a regular on comp.lang.lisp .Very knowledgeable and very willing
to share the knowledge. On 2018-06-11 he posted <m27en5weof.fsf@despina.home>
where he asks if it is worth it to renew his usenet subscription and one
reason he was wondering was the trolls on the group. Back then (and now) the
trolls (including brain damaged people) posting on comp.lang.lisp were
trivial to filter , they made no (or trivial) attempts to avoid filtering ,
usually didn't get any replies at all and by filtering the few replies (if
any) , one would be guaranteed not to miss anything important. Also Pascal
used emacs so he could certainly do filtering. I replied with
<1XT61I7xwyekwcQsGB2NfJzX8zHMw@bongo-ra.co> where I emphasised that it's
easy to filter the trolls. Pascal did renew his subscription but sometime
after that he disappeared from comp.lang.lisp and any other group I
frequent. So what I find a mystery here is why make a post to complain ,
among other things , about the trolls ? Why not just go and filter them and
take them off your mind ? And he never replied to my points about filtering.
He could have said for example that he doesn't consider it effective for
whatever reason. If there were purely technical reasons , I think he is the
kind of person who would explain them. Hence I think that there is also a
"psychological factor involved".
The other example is from a thread "rip erik naggum" also on comp.lang.lisp
started on 2009-06-20. I only have a googlegroups link for this one :
groups.google.com/d/topic/comp.lang.lisp/cDiRNDre9w4 .In the thread we read
Scott Burson :
His arrogance and hostility drove me away from c.l.l for years. I can
only wonder how many others he alienated.
Spiros Bousbouras (replying to the above) :
Why go away from c.l.l instead of simply not reading his posts?
vippstar (also responding to Burson) :
Why are you glad? Did he do anything that you couldn't avoid by
killfiling him? It was your choice (and seems, your fault) that you
didn't ignore him when you had to.
Burson made several more replies in the thread but again he never addressed
this point. Admittedly Naggum was a harder case to filter because he was a
very divisive poster ; a significant percentage on comp.lang.lisp thought
he was posting very worthwhile stuff whereas another significant percentage
thought he was a major jerk and possibly that his contributions weren't that
worthwhile on the average. So a lot of people responded to Naggum and there
were long metadiscussions on how good or bad Naggum was (like , in fact , the
thread I linked to) , etc. But again I find it strange that Burson gets asked
by 2 people essentially "Why didn't you filter Naggum since he bothered you so
much ?" and he never gave even a short response like saying for example that
with the amount of responses Naggum was getting , filtering him would not
have been practical. So again my instinct suggests some kind of psychological
reason like perhaps that Burson was finding Naggum so unpleasant that he
reached a point that he just couldn't bear to be on the same group as Naggum
even if he didn't get to read his posts.
By the way , with someone as divisive as Naggum , I'm not sure that a moderated
group would have been an improvement because , no matter what decision a moderator
would have made with regard to Naggum posts and replies to him , it would have
annoyed a lot of people. So again I consider the least evil that everyone gets
to make up their own mind ; if it is to leave the group altogether , so be it
(although a pity).
--
Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted
whenever I am contradicted.
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2022-07-25 19:18 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 23:15 -0400
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-23 11:39 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 17:14 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-08-02 18:36 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-02 21:27 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 12:44 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-03 16:26 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Jan van den Broek <balglaas@dds.nl> - 2022-08-03 18:35 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2022-08-03 22:26 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:51 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-04 09:17 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 12:47 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-14 14:17 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 14:01 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:42 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-13 21:25 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 14:22 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-14 18:00 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 18:13 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-16 12:14 -0400
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-16 18:15 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-16 20:51 -0400
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-17 08:02 +0100
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-08-17 20:12 -0300
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2022-08-18 02:15 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk James Warren <jwwarren987@gmail.com> - 2022-09-05 19:50 -0300
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2022-08-03 15:27 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2022-07-23 13:23 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 17:31 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2022-08-03 01:10 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-02 22:34 -0400
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 13:04 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:05 -0400
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 09:36 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2022-08-05 23:40 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 22:12 -0400
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-08-06 02:40 -0300
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2022-08-06 18:09 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-14 13:58 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2022-08-14 17:22 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-16 18:58 +0000
Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-16 19:10 +0000
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Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-23 08:35 +0000
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Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-07-24 00:50 +0300
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Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-07-25 16:17 +0300
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Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> - 2022-07-25 17:09 +0300
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Re: An open letter to Elon Musk Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 12:02 +0000
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