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| Message-ID | <F5RUv3PvL5GfFwF$@255soft.uk> (permalink) |
|---|---|
| Date | 2020-07-25 03:03 +0100 |
| From | "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.windows7.general, microsoft.public.outlook.general |
| Subject | Re: Outlook 365: message sizes not falling when attachments removed? |
| References | (3 earlier) <1wdw5mtu4s5ji.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <0XA403ImKGFfFwJP@255soft.uk> <1p8zmbbuhqtms.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <z1xZsHIvB0GfFwS$@255soft.uk> <uaykj7d9v2zf.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| Organization | 255 software |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On Fri, 24 Jul 2020 at 18:36:11, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> Anyway, further wrinkles! Someone suggest I saved the message as a
>> file ("exported" it). The only way I could see - I couldn't see a
>> "save" or "export" option - was to "copy" it (that option _is_
>> there), and then "paste" it in explorer.
>>
>> It was an email that showed as about 150K, containing an about 100K
>> extension. Saving it did indeed produce an about 150K file; removing
>> the attachment and then saving it, produced a less than 50K file.
It was an email where (as is usual these days) the text was in all sorts
of fonts etc.; as Outlook doesn't make it easy to tell, I don't know if
it was a two-part email (see below). The _nominal_ attachment - i. e.
the one that Outlook admitted was there - was a PDF.
>>
>> But, just for curiosity, I tried dragging the 150K file (i. e.
>> "saved" _with_ the extension) back into the Inbox - and it appeared
>> as an email now of about 120K! Yes, an intermediate size.
>
>Binary files are encoded into a long text string in a MIME section of
>the e-mail. *ALL* e-mails get sent as text, including binary
>attachments. The encoding to text enlarges the message by about 137%,
>or more, of its original size. You might add an 85K binary attachment
>(to a message of just a few bytes long), but the encoding into text will
>enlarge it to, say, 120K for a very long text string that gets placed
>into a MIME section within the body of the message.
I know all that: I remember when UUcode was the default, and MIME a
novelty! (MIME is now the default, and many modern email prog.s don't
even know how to decode UUcode.)
[]
>The polite way of sending HTML-formatted e-mails is to included a
>text-only section (separately or in a text/plain MIME part) along with
>the HTML version (in a text/html MIME part). That is, for HTML e-mails,
>there should be two copies of the message. That way, recipients using
Agreed.
>HTML-capable e-mail clients can read your message, but so can recipients
>using text-only e-mail clients. Of course, if you don't use HTML and
(My client provides buttons so I can choose which to read; I usually
read the plain-text one.)
Some companies have email software that still sends both parts, but the
users at that company are not aware of that fact. And, a recent wrinkle
has been that they can break, such that the plain text part is _not_ the
same text as the HTML part; I had one within the last day, from a large
company, saying they'd extended their offer - to April 2020 (it is now
late July 2020); it was only when I looked at the HTML part that I found
a mention of August. (I only looked because I've seen this before.)
>send as text only, only 1 copy of the message is in the e-mail. I don't
>have a copy of Outlook 2016/2019 to see what gets imported when dragging
>in a message file that has both text/plain and text/html MIME parts.
Just seemed odd that when I copied the email from Outlook to an Explorer
window, then dragged it back, it was (or rather showed in Explorer as)
slightly smaller. I suppose it _could_ have lost the plain text part, if
there was one, keeping the HTML part and the (PDF) attachment.
>
>As I recall, export was on the entire message store when attempting such
>from the main GUI window. Some options are not available until you
>/open/ the message. While the Preview pane does have the message open,
>you need to double-click on a message to open in its own new window.
>Then the toolbars or menues have additions options. I think that's you
>got to the Edit Message option, so maybe there's a Save or Export option
>on just the opened message.
True, I don't think I tried from an open message window. Certainly from
the default message list pane, the only option I could see was "save".
But then I use Outlook with distaste - it's what's on the provided
laptop and what my fellow councillors use, so it's not worth fighting
it, but it certainly wouldn't be my choice of email client. (Not sure
what would - probably a middling version of Thunderbird.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Anything you add for security will slow the computer but it shouldn't be
significant or prolonged. Security software is to protect the computer, not
the primary use of the computer.
- VanguardLH in alt.windows7.general, 2018-1-28
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