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Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism

Date 2012-07-18 16:49 +0100
From Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.python
Subject Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism
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On 18/07/12 16:32, Ethan Furman wrote:
> Lipska the Kat wrote:
>> On 18/07/12 14:05, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>>> Even with a break, why bother continuing through the body of the
>>> function
>>> when you already have the result? When your calculation is done, it's
>>> done, just return for goodness sake. You wouldn't write a search that
>>> keeps going after you've found the value that you want, out of some
>>> misplaced sense that you have to look at every value. Why write code
>>> with
>>> unnecessary guard values and temporary variables out of a misplaced
>>> sense
>>> that functions must only have one exit?
>>
>> Object Oriented programming is all about encapsulating human concepts
>> in a way that makes sense to human beings. Make no mistake, it is
>> NEVER the case that a software system is written for any other reason
>> than to serve human beings. OO is more than just the mechanics of
>> writing code, it's a state of mind.
>
> I must admit I have no idea how we went from discussing Single Exit
> functions to the One True Purpose of Object Oriented Programming; are
> you saying that SE is one of the basic tenets of OO?

It's my fault, I get carried away sometimes. Maintainable code is one of 
the basic tenets of OO, it all seems so clear to me and I get frustrated 
when I think that others don't see the 'beauty' ... but then I come to 
my senses and realise that there is always another way to do things.

>> Python looks like an interesting language and I will certainly spend
>> time getting to know it but at the moment it seems to me that calling
>> it an Object Oriented language is just plain misleading.
>
> Since *everything* in Python is an object, how can you /not/ call it an
> OO language?

Obviously I can't. I can't make a call as I haven't studied the language 
yet. I just can't get my head around duck typing at the moment as it is 
just so ... different.

> Sure, you don't have to use everything as an object --
> plain functions exist -- kinda ;) Even functions live in some namespace:
> len() lives in __builtin__, any top level function lives in its module,
> etc. Oh, and namespaces are objects.
>
> It seems to me that Python is more about providing tools, and then
> staying out of your way.
>
> That works for me. Maybe it will work for you, too.

I hope so and thank you for being so calm and reasonable in your response.

>
> ~Ethan~

Lipska


-- 
Lipska the Kat: Troll hunter, Sandbox destroyer
and Farscape dreamer of Aeryn Sun.

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Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 09:45 +0100
  Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 06:03 -0400
    Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 12:24 +0100
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Larry Hudson <orgnut@yahoo.com> - 2012-07-18 00:10 -0700
  Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-07-17 11:30 +0200
    Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 12:01 +0100
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-07-17 07:23 -0400
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 06:37 -0500
        Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 12:44 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 06:53 -0500
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-17 14:35 +0100
        Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 15:01 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 09:16 -0500
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 15:26 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-07-17 13:30 -0400
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 12:57 -0500
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-07-17 14:18 +0200
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-17 14:29 +0100
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-07-17 09:52 -0400
        Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 15:23 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-17 17:26 +0100
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 17:46 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-07-17 13:07 -0400
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 20:29 +0100
              Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-17 20:39 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 20:52 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-08-18 23:05 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism John Ladasky <john_ladasky@sbcglobal.net> - 2012-08-18 23:05 -0700
              Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-17 18:57 -0400
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-17 10:29 -0700
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-18 04:01 +1000
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-07-17 12:51 -0500
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-17 19:18 +0100
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 19:36 +0100
              Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Andrew Cooper <amc96@cam.ac.uk> - 2012-07-18 01:46 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 20:54 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-18 10:06 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ulrich Eckhardt <ulrich.eckhardt@dominolaser.com> - 2012-07-18 14:01 +0200
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-19 01:41 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-18 13:05 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-18 15:40 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 01:04 +1000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-19 01:22 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 15:09 +1000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-18 08:32 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-18 16:49 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-19 01:34 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-18 23:09 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-19 09:56 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 08:58 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-19 12:59 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-07-19 09:06 -0400
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-20 07:24 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com> - 2012-07-20 01:21 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Paul Rudin <paul.nospam@rudin.co.uk> - 2012-07-19 18:22 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-07-19 13:20 -0500
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-20 04:28 +1000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-07-19 13:50 -0500
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-20 08:11 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Erik Max Francis <max@alcyone.com> - 2012-07-20 02:08 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-20 11:28 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Erik Max Francis <max@alcyone.com> - 2012-07-21 14:32 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-23 16:36 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-19 16:47 -0400
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2012-07-19 21:01 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-20 08:20 +1000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism John Gordon <gordon@panix.com> - 2012-07-19 22:23 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-20 08:27 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Virgil Stokes <vs@it.uu.se> - 2012-07-20 11:05 +0200
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Hans Mulder <hansmu@xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-20 19:45 +0200
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Erik Max Francis <max@alcyone.com> - 2012-07-21 14:28 -0700
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2012-07-20 13:57 -0400
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ian Kelly <ian.g.kelly@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 15:13 -0600
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 17:30 -0400
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-20 10:00 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-07-19 02:11 -0400
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Albert van der Horst <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> - 2012-07-23 16:18 +0000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-24 02:15 +1000
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Robert Miles <robertmiles@teranews.com> - 2012-08-19 00:21 -0500
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 09:55 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism lipska the kat <lipskathekat@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 12:50 +0100
                Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-08-19 13:06 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ethan Furman <ethan@stoneleaf.us> - 2012-07-17 11:43 -0700
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Devin Jeanpierre <jeanpierreda@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 15:05 -0400
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-07-17 20:33 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Ian <hobson42@gmail.com> - 2012-07-17 19:59 +0100
        Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-18 12:58 +0000
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Roy Smith <roy@panix.com> - 2012-07-18 09:07 -0400
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-18 14:31 +0000
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Dave Angel <d@davea.name> - 2012-07-18 12:33 -0400
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-19 01:23 +0000
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-18 12:43 +0000
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Grant Edwards <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2012-07-18 14:34 +0000
        Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-18 15:48 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Chris Angelico <rosuav@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 01:09 +1000
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-18 16:36 +0100
          Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2012-07-19 01:14 +0000
            Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-07-19 02:28 +0100
              Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism "OKB (not okblacke)" <brenNOSPAMbarn@NObrenSPAMbarn.net> - 2012-07-19 16:52 +0000
        Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Andrew Berg <bahamutzero8825@gmail.com> - 2012-07-18 10:00 -0500
  Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 13:01 +0100
    Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu> - 2012-07-17 13:24 -0400
      Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Lipska the Kat <lipska@lipskathekat.com> - 2012-07-17 19:21 +0100
    Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism MRAB <python@mrabarnett.plus.com> - 2012-07-17 18:43 +0100
    Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Tim Chase <python.list@tim.thechases.com> - 2012-07-17 12:56 -0500
    Re: Encapsulation, inheritance and polymorphism Arnaud Delobelle <arnodel@gmail.com> - 2012-07-18 11:35 +0100

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