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Re: Smokers are smarter, I say.

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On 5/6/17, 10:30 AM, in article oel17j$9s4$1@dont-email.me, "Sprang"
<spring@sprung.invalid> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 May 2017 09:53:00 -0700, Snit, after 15 edits, wrote this:
>> On 5/6/17, 1:53 AM, in article oek2ub$lbt$1@dont-email.me, "Sprang"
>> <spring@sprung.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>> ... 
>>>> I used it to help educate you and show your where your claim was in error:
>>>> 
>>>>   Sprang:
>>>>     -----
>>>>     The Sun wobbling isn't an orbit.
>>>>     -----
>>> 
>>> Well, actually, Sprang insist the Earth orbits the Sun.
>>> You're trying to SNIP for the win :)
>> 
>> That is a different topic... you have two different incorrect claims:
> 
> It isn't a different topic, moron.
> You started the topic, look at your initial statement.
> 
> You don't think the Earth orbits the Sun...LOL.

I understand the barycenter.

>>    Sprang:
>>     -----
>>     The Sun wobbling isn't an orbit.
>>     -----
>> 
>> Which we know is not true:
>> 
>>   NASA <https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/barycenter>:
>>     -----
>>     The sun, Earth, and all of the planets in the solar system
>>     orbit around this barycenter.
>>     -----
> 
> The Earth orbits the Sun.
> The Sun orbits the Galactic Center.

A good simplification for elementary students. Sure.

> The barycenter is the measured center of gravitational mass of the
> Solar System.
> That fluctuates wildly, but is within the Sun's radius almost always.
> As the planets orbital direction changes, so does the vector of
> barycenter.
> 
> If one was to track the *Sun's orbit* around the Galactic Center,
> these perturbations in the Sun's orbit would appear as a wobble,
> less than the radius of the Sun.
>  
> The Sun is not orbiting itself... :)

Of course not: as you have been told (and shown) the sun orbits the
barycenter of the solar system, just like the earth and other planets (and
more)... though of course things like the the moon and Earth also orbit
their own barycenter.

>> And then also:
>> 
>>   Sprang:
>>     -----
>>     Well, actually, Sprang insist the Earth orbits the Sun.
>>     -----
>> 
>> Which is shown to be wrong by the same NASA quote. So you have made claims
>> which are baseless and contrary to well established science. Fair enough.
>> Now the question is what you want to do with the knowledge you have been
>> shown. Deny it? Accept it? Continue to insist you are right even in the
>> absence of any support?
>> 
>> I suspect the latter.
> 
> It is *not* wrong, dummy.
> The Earth orbits the friggen Sun. :)

Again, for a simplification for young children you are correct.

>> What you CERTAINLY will not do is show any support. That is a given.
>>  
>>>>   NASA:
>>>>     -----
>>>>     The sun, Earth, and all of the planets in the solar system
>>>>     orbit around this barycenter.
>>>>     -----
>>>> 
>>> Yeah, even that's incorrect.
>>> There isn't *one* barycenter, so there is no *this barycenter*.
>>> It is different for each object.
>>> These are math equations that describe planetary motions.
>>> All the planets *still* orbit the Sun.
>> 
>> You can speak of the barycenter between two objects, but to understand the
>> movement of the sun (and, really, even other objects in the solar system)
>> you should understand (extended quote from the same link):
>>     -----
>>     Our entire solar system also has a barycenter. The sun, Earth,
>>     and all of the planets in the solar system orbit around this
>>     barycenter. It is the center of mass of every object in the
>>     solar system combined.
>>     -----
> 
> See above for the explanation.
> The barycenter is the *defined* center of mass between objects.
> It is not an actual object the Earth is orbiting, nor does that defined
> point exert any gravitation force.

Interesting straw men.

> THE *EARTH* ORBITS THE *SUN*.

Again, for a simplification for young children you are correct.


>>> Imagine God gets a bug up his butt, and just poofs the Sun out of existance.
>>> Will the planets still orbit these barycenters?
>> 
>> Their movement would be enough to have them not orbit each other... much as
>> the moon is slowly drifting away from the Earth (by about 4 cm a year) and
>> some day will not orbit it. It does not mean we cannot calculate the
>> barycenter of the two right now!
>> 
>>>>> They send stuff to the wrong planet cause metric and standard confuses
>>>>> them.
>>>>> They're being replaced by private companies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Posters and models will be their future. :)
>>>> 
>>>> Well, many in our government are so ignorant of science they deny man-made
>>>> global climate change... of course we are struggling because of it.
>>> 
>>> My yard has never been greener. :)
>>> And the atrazine really put the weed's dick in the dirt.
>> 
>> So you have nothing to say on the topic. OK.
> 
> You can't read.


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use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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    Re: Smokers are smarter, I say. Sprang <spring@sprung.invalid> - 2017-05-06 17:30 +0000
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