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Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution)

From	Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.system, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.cellular-phone-tech
Subject	Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution)
Date	2017-05-05 15:26 -0700
Message-ID	<D5324A24.A3B28%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink)
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On 5/5/17, 12:54 PM, in article 050520171554243329%nospam@nospam.invalid,
"nospam" <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <zl4PA.817$jo6.630@fx33.iad>, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>> On 2017-05-04 21:05, nospam wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I had a Powerbook G4. Bought it because I wanted it for simple
>>>> plug'n'play in internet cafes. Windows laptops were just catching up
>>>> back then. I'd also formed the impression that the Mac would be a better
>>>> machine for graphics etc. It wasn't. I wanted something as simple and
>>>> powerful as PmView (a nice little image viewer-editor for DOS, Windows
>>>> and OS/2, which is now orphanware).
>>> 
>>> there were all sorts of image viewers and editors available. you just
>>> didn't bother looking particularly hard.
>> 
>> Ah, yes, I recall you visiting me and looking over my shoulder and
>> making notes. You no doubt consulted your records just now. So, how many
>> programs did I actually test?
> 
> apparently not very many.
> 
> why don't you list exactly which apps they were?
> 
>> You know, I'm losing my temper with your asinine macdroid comments.
> 
> nothing about this is mac specific.
> 
> it's clear you hate macs and are looking for any excuse to bash them.
> 
> whatever search you claim to have done was nothing more than a cursory
> search so you could confirm your ignorant belief that there isn't any
> good software for macs.
> 
> the reality is that there were all sorts of image editing apps on a
> mac, with plenty more now, ones that are far better than what was
> available on windows and certainly linux, which is why graphic artists
> overwhelmingly chose macs.

He tried a Mac, did not like it, and used another tool.

My reaction: OK. Whatever.

Had you or I or someone else who knew Macs been there could we have helped
him find an app that fit his tastes and also showed him some benefits that
might have made him stay with the Mac? Maybe. But that did not happen. OK.
Does that hurt you or me? Not that I see.

>>>> Nothing like it in the Mac world. I
>>>> tried the bundled photo-app, gaah! Pathetic.
>>> 
>>> in another post, you said most people only need to make minor tweaks to
>>> photos. the bundled photos app, then called iphoto, was mostly that.
>> 
>> It's no better than PmView (or as XnView and Irfanview do now).
> 
> iphoto is not intended to do what pmview does.
> 
> no wonder you had problems.

I suspect you are right that there are Mac programs that would have served
him well... but he did not find them and found one that DID work for him on
Windows.

What is the issue there?

>> From my 
>> POV iPhoto had other flaws, mainly that it was also a photo-file
>> manager, and I didn't find a way to force it to use my folder-tree.
> 
> that's not a flaw. that's one of its major *features*.
> 
> keeping photos in a folder-tree is incredibly limiting and does not
> scale. it's a very bad way to manage photos and other assets.

The fact iPhoto / Photos ties into media browser and has LOTS of different
organization tools is a benefit, but it is also a common complaint that you
cannot easily get to the files with the standard file browser. Images ARE
files... so I can see where people are coming from.

>> There's probably a way of doing that,
> 
> there is, but it's a bad idea.
> 
>> but after using it twice and
>> finding that it wouldn't save the photos where I wanted them saved,
> 
> saving is automatic, as it should be.
> 
>> I  gave up on it.
> 
> of course you did, just like you gave up with your supposed search.
> 
>> I built a Windows desktop, installed OS/2 (which ran
>> Windows natively), and used that.
> 
> thereby making a *lot* more work for yourself.
> 
> had you put half that effort into searching for available photo editors
> on a mac, you'd have found something that did what you wanted in a way
> you wanted, and if you learned about asset managers, you'd find out why
> they're *very* useful (and it's not just an apple thing either).

He found a solution that worked for him. Cool.

I would be curious as to what his tools do that he likes. Can he show these
features? Do they offer a workflow for a task that would be hard to equal on
Mac? 

I doubt it but would love to see what he is doing.

>>>> There simply wasn't the range and quality of 3rd party software
>>>> available for the Mac. Things have changed some since then, but it's too
>>>> late to win me back.
>>> 
>>> your loss.
>> 
>> Not at all.
> 
> yes, at all.
> 
>> There was only one program that almost persuaded me to stay with or go
>> back to the Mac: Metasynth. But I realised I don't have the talent to
>> use it properly.
> 
> further proof you never looked very hard for available apps.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 12:32 +0100
  Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 10:43 -0700
    Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 19:13 +0100
      Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 11:38 -0700
        Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2017-05-04 20:07 +0100
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            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-05 22:41 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 15:13 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 12:18 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:05 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 20:44 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:05 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 20:07 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 17:21 -0700
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-05 19:11 -0400
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:05 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 16:09 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:23 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 16:30 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 20:09 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 17:23 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 21:26 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 19:48 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 19:52 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 16:54 -0700
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 20:09 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-07 17:24 -0700
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-05 22:43 -0400
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 15:04 -0400
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 20:36 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 19:05 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-07 19:55 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-07 20:09 -0400
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:07 -0400
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 21:55 -0400
                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 18:57 -0700
              Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 14:24 -0700
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      Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 14:48 -0400
        Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:10 -0700
          Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2017-05-04 15:21 -0400
            Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2017-05-04 12:33 -0700
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                Re: Phonemes (was Re: Apple told to warn against charging phone in bath after man's electrocution) Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-05-04 17:47 -0400
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