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Re: Grubbs_Nov2007-May2012

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On 7/2/12 4:44 AM, in article
4759308b-1653-4ed6-89d9-8cead70888f6@googlegroups.com, "cc"
<scatnubbs@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:19:14 PM UTC-4, Snit wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can you show me where cc presented the full set of data?
>> 
>>     November, 2007      0.66%
>>     December, 2007      0.69%
>>     January, 2008       0.72%
>>     February, 2008      0.75%
>>     March, 2008         0.73%
>>     April, 2008         0.76%
>>     May, 2008           0.89%
>>     June, 2008          0.87%
>>     July, 2008          0.83%
>>     August, 2008        0.83%
>>     September, 2008     0.87%
>>     October, 2008       0.78%
>>     November, 2008      0.91%
>>     December, 2008      0.99%
>>     January, 2009       0.91%
>>     February, 2009      0.99%
>>     March, 2009         1.02%
>>     April, 2009         1.07%
>>     May, 2009           1.18%
>>     June, 2009          1.01%
>>     July, 2009          1.06%
>>     August, 2009        0.95%
>>     September, 2009     0.96%
>>     October, 2009       0.98%
>>     November, 2009      1.02%
>>     December, 2009      1.03%
>>     January, 2010       1.03%
>>     February, 2010      1.00%
>>     March, 2010         1.05%
>>     April, 2010         1.08%
>>     May, 2010           1.15%
>>     June, 2010          1.10%
>>     July, 2010          0.96%
>>     August, 2010        0.87%
>>     September, 2010     0.87%
>>     October, 2010       0.89%
>>     November, 2010      0.96%
>>     December, 2010      1.00%
>>     January, 2011       1.00%
>>     February, 2011      0.96%
>>     March, 2011         1.00%
>>     April, 2011         0.99%
>>     May, 2011           0.95%
>>     June, 2011          1.00%
>>     July, 2011          0.97%
>>     August, 2011        1.07%
>>     September, 2011     1.11%
>>     October, 2011       1.19%
>>     November, 2011      1.31%
>>     December, 2011      1.41%
>>     January, 2012       1.56%
>>     February, 2012      1.16%
>>     March, 2012         0.98%
>>     April, 2012         0.98%
>>     May, 2012           1.03%
>>     
>> I have presented it in multiple places now.  cc, on the other hand, never
>> was able to.  
>> 
> 
> Can you provide a link to the website where the full set is? I would like to
> verify your results from the source. Thanks.

I already anticipated that you would need verification, given how you
pointed to the site (the one we had already been agreed on) but never showed
you had any clue how to get the longer term stats:
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/NetMarketShareStats.mov>

>> What calculators did you try?  Please show me one that shows:
>> 
>>   cc:
>>     -----
>>     There are four outliers in the latter half of 2011.
>>     -----
>>     There are some low numbers sprinkled in there from late 2007,
>>     early 2008, that are also outliers, if you can't figure that
>>     out for yourself.
>>     -----
>>     But that doesn't change the fact that those data points are
>>     statistically insignificant because they are outliers.
>>     -----
>>     There is a well-defined (several actually) method for
>>     determining outliers. This is a fact. I found the outliers,
>>     you did not.
>>     -----
>>     Your new trendline uses data made up of mostly outliers,
>>     evidenced by all standard measurements of outliers and the
>>     fact that a single state caused the fluctuation.
>>     -----

Whoops... you never answered that question.  I have certainly made a good
faith effort, and more, to replicate what you claimed to find:

<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/Grubbs-Quartile_Nov2007-May2012.pdf>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/median_and_array.pdf>
<http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/BoxPlot.pdf>

In the end, your claims could not be replicated with any of the following
mathematical models:

    1) Median() and Array
    2) Grubbs
    3) Quartile
    4) Box Plot

Given how you specifically mentioned at least one of those methods this is
odd.  Maybe you used different parameters.  Well, I have shown all my work
and even made my Excel spreadsheets available.  You have not.  And you never
will - you just made things up in your above claims.  It has always been
clear - but with the work I have done I think we can clearly say it has been
proved.  You lied.  Your claims were based on your wishes - you never did
the work you claimed and just hoped I would not do the work to prove you
wrong.

But I did.

You lied.  Again.  There is no doubt about this.  See my .sig for more
examples of where you were busted lying and/or just being outright wrong.

>> I would love to see how and where you replicated this result.  As of yet cc
>> has not been able to produce this.  Nor will he ever.  But, and here is the
>> real rub for him, even if does find *some* method at some level that shows
>> this, he claimed those findings were "fact" and supported by multiple
>> methods.
>> 
>> I have already shown where this is not the case.  He simply is wrong.  As he,
>> well, pretty much always is.



-- 
Summary of cc's statistical BS: <http://tinyurl.com/7rwazxw>
Details on cc's "outliers" BS: <http://tinyurl.com/84r3ypq>
More on cc's ignorance about outliers: <http://tinyurl.com/7vyhttc>
Four method compared to cc's absurd claims: <http://tinyurl.com/7efkuzm>
Details on cc's sigma and R^2 BS: <http://tinyurl.com/7vambev>

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