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| From | Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day |
| Date | 2012-06-20 21:07 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <CC07EC17.3BE6%usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> (permalink) |
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On 6/20/12 7:50 PM, in article 4fe28bf9$0$1730$c3e8da3$f017e9df@news.astraweb.com, "Voodoo Magoo" <voodoo@thats.me.com> wrote: ... >>> no snit. they are paying microsoft to go away. i do not believe things >>> are as honorable as you imply. >> >> Paying MS to go away? These are large companies... if they were sure >> they were right they would just push this to the courts... heck, they >> could even have MS pay their court costs if the cases were as absurd as >> you claim. > > you have way too much faith in the court system. You have way too much faith in your boogieman being evil in all ways. I look for support and evidence. >>>> Did they have permission or did they just plagiarize and not pay a >>>> dime until forced? >>> >>> there is that plagiarize word again. do you really think any code or >>> patents were copied from microsoft? are the patents so complicated that >>> they could not be developed independently? i have heard that one of the >>> patents is for a progress bar centered at the bottom of the screen. i >>> wonder how many minutes of good hard thought went into that one. >> >> Ah, "you have heard". >> >> I prefer to stick with reason and logic and not your biased version of >> what "you have heard" from who knows who? Remember: the common claim in >> COLA is that Apple claimed to invent rounded rectangles. These are the >> things you will "hear" if you listen to the biased and absurd claims in >> COLA and those who think like the COLA herd. Nothing to do with truth >> or honesty or reality. > > now snit, i did not just fall off the turnip truck. i did not hear this > from rex, 7, dfs, hadron, or anywhere in cola. > > put these words into google 'progress' 'bar' 'patent' In terms of Microsoft there are many such patents: <http://goo.gl/ykQJF> I am not going to claim to agree with, nor disagree with, any or all of those. > no, i will not post direct links for this. At least you know you are not going to even try to back your claims - you want me to. But instead you prefer to call me names and makes accusations. As I said, that is boring. > your knowledge of this subject is too spotty/stilted/focused or pick your own > word. go explore and learn. i hope you will at least look at the entry that > starts off with "b&n" as it has a list of patents that ms used to gain > cooperation in that tussle. the progress bar is one of them. And neither you nor I know enough about patents to really judge any of this - and as you note that is "one of them". Not all there is. So you are picking and choosing, trying to find the weakest link to attack the boogieman with. ... >> >> I accept you are not able to understand it. Sorry - not sure what else >> I can do to help you. >> >> You have acknowledge that a number of groups are paying MS - and that >> these payments are, at least on the surface, based on their usage of MS >> technologies / ideas. You have offered no counter evidence to suggest >> the payments are for anything else. This is pretty damning against >> those who sell Android. > > if by "ms technologies and ideas" you mean the government has scooped > some wonderful ideas out of the ether and gifted them to microsoft in the > form of a patent then sure. What bias! I mean, really... just wow. A whole conspiracy of people against Android... the whole world maybe? > "ms technologies and ideas" that is a shyster phrase. did you know i am a > patent infringer? yes! its true. it all started back in the summer after > 5th grade. we were hanging out behind the school when we spotted a > discarded pack of cigarettes. ... oops, wrong story. > > early 1990s, on a sun workstation with a beautiful large color monitor, > running unix and x-windows. a commercial graphics program drew maps from > the usgs database. a car drove around collecting at one second intervals > a series of x-y locations and radio signal strengths. my program would > attach to the map window and draw the route the cars took. an add on was > to make the thing "look" real-time. draw the car (really just a small > circle) in motion. hmmm how to do that? easy enough, draw, sleep, > draw, ...ewww yucky. need to undraw where the car has moved away. hard. > have to grab the data under the car, save it, draw the car, then when it > moves, draw the original data back in. there must be a shortcut. back in > college there was some talk of a magical instruction that maybe would > work. what was that. combine ANDs with ORs? no, oh! there it is. XOR. > XOR the car in, XOR the car out! beautiful, no smudge no smear no muss no > fuss. works every time. > > are you thinking ahead on this? can you see whats coming? Yes, you are bragging. > some years later i heard of an XOR patent. imagine my surprise! you can > see lots of hits by giving google 'xor' 'patent'. the first hit is this > > http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/int-prop/heckel- > debunking.html > > scan down the page for "A Study of Nine Software Patents". XOR is the > first one discussed. it is a pro software patent page. no matter how you > slice it snit, paying a license for this is *IS* paying them for letting > me use my work. patents let them do that you know. > > "ms technologies and ideas" the words are very true while at the same > time it is a dishonest characterization of the situation. You act like I am defending all patents. Odd. > .......... > > >>> they do have patents that allow them to take this action. the idea that >>> microsoft helped android, or that android developers filched code or >>> looked to ms patents for inspiration is just silly. >> >> And you base this on...??? > > with my many years of experience in the computing industry, deep > knowledge of the companies involved along with their histories, intimate > familiarity of the players past and present, with their goals and > emotions, (pssst, dfs! is snit buying this?), the products they make and > how they fit into the flow of goods and services ... i can state without > fear of contradiction that microsoft did not and will not open their code > base to inspection by anyone on googles staff (well until hell freezes > over anyway). Nobody said they would. You think it takes years of experience to figure this out. Amazing. > with my many years of experience in the computing industry, deep > knowledge of the companies involved along with their histories, patent > laws patent lawyers patent cases, intimate familiarity of programmers and > how they work blah blah blah ... i can state without fear of > contradiction that android developers did not paw through a pile of ms > patents looking for nuggets. Patents are public - you have no idea what they have seen or not. The ironic thing is you ask me to look through what *Google* to show me ... and then tell me that the folks at Google surely must not know about these things! That is really, really funny. > ...................... > > >>> yes. that is right. the trouble with easy software patents is that the >>> violator is not using someone elses work. >> >> Oh, I am not defending all software patents. Many are absurd. But many >> are not. And with all the BS in COLA about how software patents should >> be eliminated, I have yet to hear of an alternate way to help minimize >> the plagiarism that happens in the industry. > > the industry is a far cry from the use of patents against android by ms. Ah, so it is just MS who is abuses the system. Got it. LOL! >> If MS is not claiming that others are using their patents, code, or >> other similar things then what are you saying they are doing wrong? >> >>> all i have seen is that ms shows up threatening to sue with these dodgy >>> patents, then a patent license is signed. >> >> So you say MS is *not* saying others are using their patented ideas... >> but that they are threatening to sue for... them doing using their >> patented ideas. >> >> I think you got yourself twisted around in your own argument. :) > > when two organizations independently develop the same idea, only one can > win and get a patent. the loser will end up paying for the privilege of > using his own work. Well, using the work another company already patented. But an interesting twist you show... > ...................... > > >>> i have not seen anything in the press, not even rumor, that plagiarism >>> has taken place. >> >> Above you speak of the patents being used by others - at least as an >> accusation. This is the plagiarism I am in reference to. > > 'plagiarism' has its own meaning and connotation. using it your way to > describe the ms-android spat might be barely true for some oxford > dictionary definition entry but it is essentially dishonest. It is "barely true"? What? LOL! -- The indisputable facts about that absurd debate: <http://goo.gl/2337P> cc being proved wrong about his stats BS: <http://goo.gl/1aYrP> 7 simple questions cc will *never* answer: <http://goo.gl/cNBzu> cc again pretends to be knowledgeable about things he is clueless about.
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Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-19 02:39 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-18 20:30 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-19 05:23 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2012-06-19 08:58 -0400
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-19 14:50 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2012-06-19 18:45 -0400
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-20 02:09 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-18 22:56 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-20 05:12 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2012-06-20 06:46 -0500
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-20 09:18 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-21 02:50 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-20 21:07 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-21 07:52 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-21 09:41 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-22 01:32 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-21 22:25 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2012-06-22 08:05 +0100
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-22 07:39 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-23 03:15 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-22 20:41 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-23 04:10 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-22 21:21 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-27 03:08 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-26 20:38 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-27 05:50 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-26 23:28 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-27 06:40 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-27 00:06 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> - 2012-06-27 06:03 -0400
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2012-06-27 08:56 -0700
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Chris Ahlstrom <ahlstromc@xzoozy.com> - 2012-06-23 06:41 -0400
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2012-06-25 07:25 -0500
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2012-06-22 11:55 -0400
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day Voodoo Magoo <voodoo@thats.me.com> - 2012-06-23 01:05 +0000
Re: Andy Rubin says Android activations hit 900k a day DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2012-06-22 22:19 -0400
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