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Re: StringBuilder Difficulties

From blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: StringBuilder Difficulties
Date 2011-07-04 03:32 +0000
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In article <CZGdnS-Ag6OPR5LTnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
Patricia Shanahan  <pats@acm.org> wrote:
> On 7/2/2011 6:34 PM, blmblm@myrealbox.com wrote:
> ...
> > Both programs (yours and mine) now consistently report sequential
> > search to be faster than binary search.  Weird, but not as weird as
> > the two being different in that regard ....
> ...
> 
> Binary search can have a much higher constant multiplier on its time
> than sequential search. If the searches are long enough, the O(log n) vs
> O(n) complexity difference should dominate over the constant multiplier,
> but for short searches the constant multiplier can dominate.

Of course -- I know better than to think computational complexity
is the whole story, especially in dealing with small problem sizes,
which I think is what we have here.  (Why I notice this kind of 
"what was I thinking?" only after posting, who knows.)

> Binary search is more expensive than it looks because of branch
> prediction.

Which makes sense ....  

[ snip ]

> The only way to know which way round this will come out is indeed to
> measure, making sure the searches are as similar as possible to the real
> workload.

Which is apparently by no means straightforward in Java!  I recently
skimmed through the articles by Brian Goetz referenced in one of
Stefan Ram's posts from a while back, and -- fascinating stuff.

-- 
B. L. Massingill
ObDisclaimer:  I don't speak for my employers; they return the favor.

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