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Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft

From Homer <usenet@slated.org>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft
Date 2013-04-13 13:25 +0100
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Verily I say unto thee that Bjørn Steensrud spake thusly:
> Homer wrote:
>> Verily I say unto thee that President 7 spake thusly:
>>>
>>> Just recently I heard NAS device makers with microshaft crap can't
>>> release their NAS without dishing out money for the number windopws
>>> (l)users logging in and downloading from that box.  I mean WTF?
>> 
>> That would be Client Access Licenses, although I'm surprised they
>> apply to commodity hardware like NASs.
>  
> The software isn't a commodity, I guess.

I just don't get the justification for CALs at all.

The OS costs the vendor the same amount of money to produce regardless
of whether its accessed by 10 clients or 10 million, and it also costs
technical support the same amount of money to diagnose and fix issues
with the server being accessed, as there's only one server no matter how
many clients it has, so how can the OS vendor possibly justify charging
a per-client access fee?

The only correlation between the number of clients and cost is the
amount of hardware required to physically sustain the load. That has
nothing to do with the OS vendor whatsoever.

It's a purely arbitrary, synthetic and fraudulent fee - an utter scam.
It seems to be one of those "we do it because we can" situations that
Windows victims just blindly accept without question. It's quite
bizarre.

A NAS is just a glorified hard drive, it barely needs any OS at all, and
whatever it does need should only have to be paid for once, if at all,
just like the hardware itself. The idea that a NAS should require repeat
fees for OS upgrades is bad enough, but to charge for each and every
client accessing it is nothing less than surreal.

Imagine if consumer-grade modem-routers ran Windows? Every time you
bought another Internet-capable gadget you'd have to pay Microsoft an
"access fee" just to be "allowed" to use your own damned property.

> Linus said early on that Linux systems were found in server rooms

The funniest bit is when Ballmer scratches his head and wonders why
Windows is losing to GNU/Linux in the server room.

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Fedora 8 (Werewolf) on šky   |  only an idea. And ideas are bulletproof."
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Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft bbgruff <bbgruff@yahoo.co.uk> - 2013-04-12 12:10 +0100
  Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-12 07:20 -0500
  Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-04-12 17:33 +0100
    Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-12 12:14 -0500
      Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2013-04-12 19:36 +0000
      Re: Then why are you still using MS then, instead of Linux? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2013-04-12 16:39 -0600
        Then why are you still trolling about Linux? 7 <email_at_www_at_enemygadgets_dot_com@enemygadgets.com> - 2013-04-13 00:38 +0100
          Re: Then why are you still trolling about Linux? GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2013-04-12 20:58 -0600
    Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2013-04-12 18:16 +0100
      Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Bjørn Steensrud <bjornst@skogkatt.homelinux.org> - 2013-04-13 12:04 +0200
        Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2013-04-13 13:25 +0100
          Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2013-04-13 16:36 +0000
            Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2013-04-13 10:09 -0700
              Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Tralfaz <directly_above_the_center_of_the_earth@santas_deer_poop_too_much.org> - 2013-04-14 11:55 +0000
                Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2013-04-14 09:17 -0700
            Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Tralfaz <directly_above_the_center_of_the_earth@santas_deer_poop_too_much.org> - 2013-04-14 11:53 +0000
          Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2013-04-13 10:47 -0600
          Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-13 15:52 -0500
            Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2013-04-13 15:29 -0600
            Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2013-04-14 14:21 +0100
          Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Bjørn Steensrud <bjornst@skogkatt.homelinux.org> - 2013-04-14 17:59 +0200
            Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2013-04-14 14:01 -0400
          Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2013-04-14 11:13 -0700
  Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Rex Ballard <rex.ballard@gmail.com> - 2013-04-13 20:38 -0700
    Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2013-04-13 22:24 -0700
    Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2013-04-14 07:35 +0100
    Rex Ballard - a proven liar "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2013-04-14 09:21 -0400
      Re: Rex Ballard - a proven liar flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-14 10:45 -0400
    Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2013-04-15 07:49 -0500
      Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft flatfish+++ <phlatphish@yahoo.com> - 2013-04-15 09:38 -0400
        Re: Goldman says 'sell' Microsoft Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2013-04-15 16:11 +0100

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