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Re: Radians Or Degrees?

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Radians Or Degrees?
Date 2024-02-23 18:49 -0800
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Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 23:16:32 +0000, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 20:38:59 -0000 (UTC), Steven G. Kargl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Note 2: subnormal values ...
>>>>
>>>> Why did they bring in the term "subnormal", anyway?  What was wrong with
>>>> "denormalized"?
>>>
>>> Greater clarity maybe?  After all, the two terms do mean different
>>> things.  In IEEE FP only subnormals can exist, but it surely helps to be
>>> able to talk about the difference.
>>
>> I thought they were the same thing:  extra numbers inserted in the gap
>> between the normalized number closest to zero on each side, to allow for
>> gradual underflow.
>
> Those are subnormal.  They are smaller (in magnitude) than the smallest
> normal.  Denormals are simply representations with leading zeros.  IEEE
> FP's implicit leading 1 means these (denormals that are not subnormal)
> can't exist in that representation.

There is some terminology confusion here.  Depending on what
source is consulted, the term "denormal" has different meanings.
On Wikipedia, for example, "denormal numbers" redirects to
"subnormal number".  Apparently the IEEE floating point standard
uses the term differently.  Other sources are not consistent.

Note that the ISO C standard uses and defines the terms "subnormal
floating-point numbers" and "unnormalized floating-point numbers",
as disjoint sets, distinct from normalized floating-point numbers
(which the ISO C standard also defines).  I expect it would help
the conversation to use these three terms (normalized, subnormal,
and unnormalized) and no others, since "denormal" or "denormalized"
seems to mean different things depending on which source is used.

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Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-21 22:35 +0000
  Re: Radians Or Degrees? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-21 17:55 -0500
    Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-22 01:59 +0200
      Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 01:55 +0000
        Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-22 19:14 +0000
          Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 19:48 +0000
            Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-22 20:16 +0000
              Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 21:04 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-22 23:39 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 21:47 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-02-22 22:57 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-23 00:13 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-22 16:49 -0800
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-22 16:59 -0800
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-02-23 02:42 +0000
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 22:52 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-24 19:26 -0800
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-25 06:30 +0000
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-14 11:26 +0200
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 15:21 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-14 15:22 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-15 13:49 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-03-15 11:23 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-15 14:15 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-16 01:23 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-03-16 16:59 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-15 13:59 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-15 14:13 -0700
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-15 14:26 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-15 14:30 -0700
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-17 13:41 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-17 21:49 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-16 01:16 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-16 19:08 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-16 17:22 +0000
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-16 20:49 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-16 16:19 -0700
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-16 18:38 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-03-17 01:57 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-16 19:57 -0700
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-17 13:10 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-17 11:06 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-17 11:34 +0200
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-03-15 15:13 -0700
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                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-03-20 12:59 -0400
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-20 20:40 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-03-21 08:52 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-21 14:51 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-21 16:37 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-03-23 09:11 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-03-20 17:02 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-20 20:47 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-20 20:33 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-03-21 00:03 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-20 20:26 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> - 2024-03-20 16:34 -0400
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-03-21 08:38 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-23 14:32 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-02-23 20:02 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-23 20:38 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-02-23 22:29 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-23 22:39 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-24 04:03 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 04:47 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-24 05:27 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-24 05:48 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 05:38 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-24 06:13 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-03-14 17:15 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-23 23:20 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-23 22:39 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-23 23:16 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-23 23:44 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-24 01:15 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 01:19 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-24 01:27 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-24 01:42 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-25 00:18 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-25 12:57 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 02:21 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-24 02:49 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 03:07 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-24 03:12 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-02-23 18:49 -0800
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-23 23:30 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-24 02:25 -0500
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 21:21 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-02-24 17:32 -0500
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-24 22:50 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-02-25 16:19 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? mitchalsup@aol.com (MitchAlsup1) - 2024-02-25 18:11 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Terje Mathisen <terje.mathisen@tmsw.no> - 2024-02-23 11:01 +0100
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? "Steven G. Kargl" <sgk@REMOVEtroutmask.apl.washington.edu> - 2024-02-22 22:09 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 22:30 +0000
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-02-23 00:56 +0200
                Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 23:03 +0000
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    Re: Radians Or Degrees? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-22 01:55 +0000
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