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| From | Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.c |
| Subject | Re: encapsulating directory operations |
| Date | 2026-02-03 04:39 -0800 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <868qdaj90y.fsf@linuxsc.com> (permalink) |
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/05/2025 23:32, Keith Thompson wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>>>> In one of your library's headers:
>>>>>>> extern const char ESCAPE;
>>>>>>> In the corresponding *.c file:
>>>>>>> const char ESCAPE = ('z' - 'a' == 25 ? '\x1b' : '\x27');
>>>>>>> Change the name if you prefer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wouldn't that be a reserved identifier?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it would. Good catch.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Identifiers starting with E followed by either a digit or an
>>>>> uppercase letter are reserved; they could be defined as macros
>>>>> in <errno.h>.)
>>>>
>>>> They are reserved only as macros, and only if <errno.h> has
>>>> been #include'd.
>>>>
>>>> For this particular use, it's easy to make the definition work,
>>>> simply by adding
>>>>
>>>> #undef ESCAPE
>>>>
>>>> before the declaration in the header file, and before the
>>>> definition in the source file (assuming of course that if
>>>> there are any #include <errno.h> they precede the #undef's).
>>>
>>> It would be even easier to pick a different name.
>>
>> The point of my comment was to help explain the rules about what
>> macro names are reserved and under what circumstances, not to
>> suggest a way to avoid conflicts.
>
> And the point of my comment was to suggest a way to avoid conflicts.
Yes, and thereby missing the point of my comment.
>> A better way to avoid conflicts with E* macros is to take functions
>> where errno is needed, as for example signal(), and not call them
>> directly but rather wrap each one in a function, with the wrapping
>> functions put in (one or more) separate translation unit(s). Those
>> translation units, and only those translation units, are the ones
>> where a #include <errno.h> is done. Some details are needed to keep
>> the separation complete, but I think those aren't too hard to work
>> out, so if someone has trouble please ask. This way most of the
>> program can use names beginning with E that might otherwise be
>> reserved, without any fear of conflicts. There is a bit of source
>> code overhead, but that is paid only once, across all projects that
>> use this approach. Also there are some other benefits, related to
>> libraries used that are not part of ISO C, such as Posix, which
>> again should be readily apparent to anyone used to working in large
>> projects that use such libraries.
>
> That doesn't strike me as better. You're suggesting a substantial
> reorganization to avoid some simple name conflicts (identifiers
> starting with 'E').
I disagree with your characterization. In practice organizing
code along the lines I suggested carries little overhead and also
yields some other benefits that serve to raise the confidence in
the code body as a whole.
> I find it much easier -- and yes, better --
> to avoid defining identifiers starting with 'E'. (Actually only
> identifiers starting with 'E' followed by either a digit or an
> uppercase letter are reserved. It's simpler to avoid all identifiers
> starting with 'E', but you can safely use something like "Escape"
> if you like.)
Locally easier. Globally costly. Separating out constructs that
are used only rarely, such as errno and error names, scales better,
because whole swaths of code can be read and written without having
to worry about the exceptional cases, which leaves the mind free to
focus on more important matters.
Keep in mind that I have tried it both ways. I'm guessing that you
haven't.
> If there are other reasons for such an organization, that's fine.
>
> (My personal policy is to assume a more expansive set of reserved
> identifiers, because it means I only have to remember a simpler
> set of rules. For example, I find it easier to avoid defining any
> identifiers starting with '_' than to account for the rules for which
> _* identifiers are reserved for which purposes in which contexts.
> Of course I'll look up and apply the actual rules when I need to.)
>
> I find the reservation of potential errno macro names annoying.
> Using and reserving identifiers starting with "E_", for example,
> would have been less intrusive. But we're stuck with it.
We are stuck with having identifiers starting with E being reserved
if <errno.h> is included. We are /not/ stuck with being forced to
deal with the consequences of that rule everywhere in a code base
just because there are a few library calls that need to test errno.
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Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 14:41 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 08:38 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 09:09 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 16:22 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 00:18 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 10:31 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 01:02 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 16:18 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 09:57 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 22:41 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 20:41 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 11:06 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 11:22 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 20:58 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:10 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 15:32 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 09:16 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 18:38 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 08:12 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-25 15:34 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 09:01 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-05-25 23:25 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 02:28 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 21:27 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:08 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 22:20 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:43 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 07:54 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-25 15:29 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 08:40 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 03:29 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:46 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-26 09:43 -0400
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-26 17:16 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-26 04:05 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 08:31 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 03:37 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2025-05-23 16:09 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 17:50 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-23 16:57 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 18:00 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 17:22 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 11:10 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 20:27 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 21:35 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 21:10 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 23:13 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-23 22:22 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-24 06:46 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 07:27 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 09:39 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:37 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-29 06:11 -0400
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 13:41 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-29 15:08 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 17:36 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-29 17:18 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 14:31 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 14:29 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 13:38 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-29 12:55 -0400
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 18:48 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 03:10 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 11:20 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 11:54 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 16:02 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 16:26 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 17:42 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 17:39 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-07-01 10:09 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-30 18:04 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-29 21:24 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-29 23:24 +0300
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 21:27 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 13:45 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 22:09 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-29 21:19 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 22:40 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 18:18 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:10 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 19:23 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 13:05 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 00:00 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-06-04 17:30 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:48 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 21:09 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-06-05 08:18 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 04:58 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-04 19:19 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 05:24 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-04 21:30 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 22:38 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 19:31 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-06-05 08:32 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 19:28 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 20:25 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-06 03:26 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:22 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 23:48 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-10 07:18 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 14:50 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 00:05 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 17:37 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:25 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 17:39 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 17:32 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-30 02:46 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-30 03:42 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 07:34 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-23 21:10 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 21:31 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-23 22:05 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-24 01:27 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-10 08:52 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 13:35 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-10 21:34 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 15:09 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-11 01:16 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 19:11 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-11 15:23 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:57 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-11 15:32 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-02-03 04:39 -0800
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 08:44 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 08:06 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 18:24 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 02:19 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 19:31 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:45 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 13:59 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:52 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-23 01:18 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 09:48 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-26 00:15 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:50 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 07:26 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 18:47 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 02:21 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 22:49 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 20:44 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-21 12:06 +0100
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 11:15 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 21:02 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 19:49 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 19:38 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-20 22:26 -0400
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 03:32 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 19:50 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 00:03 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Jakob Bohm <egenagwemdimtapsar@jbohm.dk> - 2025-05-22 02:20 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 02:53 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 22:14 -0700
Re: encapsulating directory operations Jakob Bohm <egenagwemdimtapsar@jbohm.dk> - 2025-08-17 22:34 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-21 21:19 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-23 01:17 +0000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-21 04:35 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 19:45 +1000
Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-21 17:07 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 20:34 +0200
Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-24 22:10 -0700
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