Re: Parsing a file name with spaces

Date	2026-03-31 14:14 +1100
Subject	Re: Parsing a file name with spaces
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On 31/03/2026 12:41 pm, Krishna Myneni wrote:
> ... 
> INCLUDE per the Forth-2012 standard is inadequate for modern desktop systems, which was the starting point of this thread.
> 
> While changing the long-standing behavior of INCLUDE is not a good idea, using a consistent method for parsing file names in use currently is needed. It doesn't matter whether or not one thinks such names are insane. Such names are a reality we have to address.

Some behaviours were never properly formulated.  AFAIK no explicit rationale
was ever given for INCLUDE vs. INCLUDED other than the former already existed
in several forths.  So I'll present mine.

When dealing with command-line OS of times past, it was commonplace to enter
commands in the form:

  rename oldfilename newfilename

For convenience I wanted to duplicate this familiar setup in forth - hence the
addition of INCLUDE RENAME DELETE etc.  Critically these words will be parsing
*filenames* which are going to be OS-specific.  To limit the scope to filenames
that conform to forth's notion of a 'word' completely misses the intent behind
these functions.  I see no point to having INCLUDE et al if I'm told I can use
INCLUDED RENAME-FILE DELETE-FILE etc instead.

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Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-24 08:51 -0500
  Re: Parsing a file name with spaces peter <peter.noreply@tin.it> - 2026-03-24 15:24 +0100
  Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 01:28 +1100
    Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-25 21:24 +1100
      Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-25 14:57 +0100
  Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2026-03-24 15:55 +0000
    Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-25 10:05 -0500
      Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-25 16:56 +0000
        Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-25 15:22 -0500
          Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-28 12:02 +1100
            Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-28 08:54 +0100
              Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-28 19:37 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2026-03-28 15:10 +0000
          Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-28 18:59 +0000
            Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 11:11 +1100
              Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-29 09:24 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-29 13:03 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 22:07 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-29 16:08 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 09:34 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 09:18 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-30 20:41 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-03-31 14:14 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-31 07:36 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-31 14:03 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 12:22 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-01 08:22 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 20:06 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-02 06:05 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 18:09 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-04-02 13:54 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-03 11:57 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-04-03 11:44 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-04 00:23 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 10:55 +1000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-05 11:50 +1000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-04-01 12:25 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 00:07 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-31 07:54 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-31 05:03 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-31 10:32 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-31 10:26 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-04-01 00:19 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-31 18:04 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-01 07:54 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-04-01 06:23 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-02 08:34 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-04-02 07:18 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-02 14:43 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-04-02 20:52 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-04-03 11:40 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2026-04-04 06:21 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-04-04 08:00 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2026-04-04 22:01 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-07 10:23 +1000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2026-04-07 14:26 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2026-04-07 15:05 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces sjack@dontemail.me (sjack) - 2026-04-07 17:09 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-08 12:25 +1000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Stephen Pelc <stephen@vfxforth.com> - 2026-04-09 10:22 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 19:13 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-02 05:55 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 17:44 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-31 13:41 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-31 10:18 -0500
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 11:28 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-01 08:17 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-01 19:42 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-04-01 12:13 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Gerry Jackson <do-not-use@swldwa.uk> - 2026-04-01 19:43 +0100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 12:18 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 12:43 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-02 09:07 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-02 21:50 +1100
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-04-02 09:11 +0000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-04-12 19:37 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-04-12 19:44 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> - 2026-04-13 11:05 +1000
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-04-14 14:45 +0200
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-04-15 15:51 +0200
  Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-24 17:58 +0000
    Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-24 13:41 -0500
      Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-24 20:40 +0000
        Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-24 20:26 -0500
  Re: Parsing a file name with spaces albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl - 2026-03-25 10:37 +0100
    Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-25 05:13 -0500
    Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Bigtreeman <treecolin@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 09:16 +1000
      Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Krishna Myneni <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> - 2026-03-25 20:57 -0500
      Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-28 19:14 +0000
        Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Bigtreeman <treecolin@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 12:22 +1000
          Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-28 20:55 -0700
            Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Bigtreeman <treecolin@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 17:00 +1000
              Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid> - 2026-03-29 19:05 -0700
                Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Bigtreeman <treecolin@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 21:58 +1000
            Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-29 09:52 +0000
          Re: Parsing a file name with spaces anton@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl) - 2026-03-29 09:32 +0000
            Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Bigtreeman <treecolin@gmail.com> - 2026-03-30 22:10 +1000
  Re: Parsing a file name with spaces Hans Bezemer <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> - 2026-03-29 13:22 +0200

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