Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5

From	Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.acorn.networking
Subject	Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5
Date	2025-05-29 09:49 +0100
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In article <1017r4e$3dqre$1@dont-email.me>,
   druck <news@druck.org.uk> wrote:
> On 27/05/2025 22:08, Brian Howlett wrote:
> > I recently acquired a Raspberry Pi 5, and am looking to connect to it from
> > RISC OS using LanMan 98, so far with no success.

> Instead of compromising my Raspberry Pi 5 NAS by enabling the old 
> horribly insecure SMB1 just for LanmanFS/98, 

Sure it is insecure but for me it's worth the small risk when used
for music player pi machines.

> I'm using the same NFS 
> shares from my RISC OS Pi 4 that the other Linux Pi's use.

> Once !SunFish is configured using the crashy front end, the back
> end filing system is rock solid and I've not had a single problem
> with it in a decade.

The front end of Sunfish is terrible and I think the security on NFS
is difficult to comprehend but as Dave says once setup sunfish is
very good indeed.

I use NFS sunfish to maintain my music library on a synology NAS.
LanMan98 has awful problems with utf-8 characters often used for
continental classical music. Some characters if present in a file
name can stop LM98 listing the file at all, it can't see it.

    Char             PC value  PC keyboard     UTF-8 & Sunfish value.
Apostrophe              146     [Alt]0146        &E2, &80, &99
inverted commas 66      147     [Alt]0147        &E2, &80, &9C
inverted commas 99      148     [Alt]0148        &E2, &80, &9D
hyphen                  150     [Alt]0149        &E2, &80, &93

All of the above prevent Lanman98 from showing a file with these
chars in the name. For LM98 the file does not exist.

If you setup sunfish to use "no translation" (I think that's what it
was called) then you can get the actual bytes used for the utf-8 code
in the linux device. It is testament to how awful the sunfish front
end is, I've just tried to check the "no translation" setting name
and could not find way in to do so.

Summary, LM98 is much nicer to use but easily broken by utf-8 chars
but I don't think it was designed for that, it was designed to store
RISCOS files in the PC world and then pull them back and it does that
very well

Sunfish, horrible to setup, you need to pour a good drink first, but
once setup gives much better results.

Bob.

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Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2025-05-27 22:08 +0100
  Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-28 10:34 +0100
    Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-28 11:23 +0100
      Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-28 11:46 +0100
      Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 John <newsmcc@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2025-05-28 15:12 +0100
        Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Brian Howlett <news-spamtrap@brianhowlett.me.uk> - 2025-05-28 18:19 +0100
  Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2025-05-28 21:19 +0100
    Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:49 +0100
      Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 10:39 +0100
        Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Chris Hughes <news13@noonehere.co.uk> - 2025-05-29 10:53 +0100
          Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-29 11:36 +0100
            Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 13:13 +0100
              Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-29 14:53 +0100
                Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 16:29 +0100
                Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-30 11:34 +0100
                Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 12:38 +0100
                Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:10 +0100
                Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> - 2025-05-31 21:11 +0100
                Re: Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> - 2025-06-01 13:00 +0100
    Connecting LanMan98 to Raspberry Pi 5 Dnews <dnews@triffid.co.uk> - 2025-05-29 18:32 +0100

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