Re: Clarification for interface specification "C11 threads.h"

From	Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.programming.threads, comp.std.c
Subject	Re: Clarification for interface specification "C11 threads.h"
Date	2012-10-04 13:35 +0200
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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Hello,

Am 03.10.2012 11:02, schrieb Markus Elfring:
>> The main difference is really the starting point of this discussion,
>> the differing function types for threads. And this one is well
>> justified from the POV of C, int is the type that you'd have
>> to expect as a return from a thread, just as main returns an int
>> to the environment.
>>
>> On my page for possible defects/improvements for C
> 
> I am curious if you will get feedback by standardisation committee members for
> your descriptions.
> http://p99.gforge.inria.fr/defects-and-improvements/DR-underspecified-thread-functions.html
> 
> Did you forward any of them to an "official" communication channel?

I am not sure what channel that would be, the ISO committees don't
seem to be very open to the outside world. But as Keith suggest,
comp.std.c has probably better chances to be read, so I am
crossposting there.

> Do the discussed functions just use an interface style that we all know from a
> function like "free"?
> http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/functions/free.html
> 
> Do such standard specifications allow different error handling implementations?

Yes, I think so. It clearly defines under what circumstances the
behavior is undefined, so an implementation would be allowed to define
a behavior as it wishes in these cases.

Generally, if you look at the text for free that you are citing, and
compare it with the text about the threads in C11, you'll notice a
difference in quality. C11 certainly lacked some iterations of
discussion and error correction before it went into the standard. In
particular, a better coordination with the POSIX committee would have
been in order concerning threads.

Jens

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Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2012-09-27 03:38 +0000
  Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-26 20:50 -0700
    Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2012-09-27 04:15 +0000
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Lorenzo Beretta <lory.fulgi@infinito.it> - 2012-09-27 16:35 +0200
        Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2012-09-27 15:58 +0000
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Lorenzo Beretta <lory.fulgi@infinito.it> - 2012-09-27 18:27 +0200
            Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> - 2012-09-29 18:05 +0200
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-09-28 12:08 -0700
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-09-28 19:38 +0000
            Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) William Ahern <william@wilbur.25thandClement.com> - 2012-09-28 13:23 -0700
            Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Lorenzo Beretta <lory.fulgi@infinito.it> - 2012-09-29 18:35 +0200
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-28 15:50 -0400
            Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Lorenzo Beretta <lory.fulgi@infinito.it> - 2012-09-29 18:41 +0200
  Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-09-27 13:45 +0200
    Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2012-09-27 16:14 +0000
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-09-28 12:05 +0200
        Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-28 03:39 -0700
        Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-09-28 08:23 -0400
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) John Tsiombikas <nuclear@member.fsf.org> - 2012-09-28 19:48 +0000
    Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Toby Douglass <a@b.com> - 2012-10-01 20:19 +0200
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2012-10-01 14:37 -0400
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-10-01 14:38 -0400
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-01 14:58 -0700
  Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-09-28 20:22 +0200
    Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-09-30 23:13 +0200
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-09-30 14:28 -0700
        Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-01 00:37 +0200
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-01 00:44 +0200
            Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-09-30 19:48 -0400
              Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-01 08:26 +0200
          Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-10-01 11:25 +0200
            Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-01 11:47 +0200
              Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-10-01 12:05 +0200
                Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-01 13:15 +0200
                Clarification for interface specification "C11 threads.h" Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-10-03 11:02 +0200
                Re: Clarification for interface specification "C11 threads.h" Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-03 13:29 -0700
                Re: Clarification for interface specification "C11 threads.h" Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-04 13:35 +0200
                Re: Clarification for interface specification "C11 threads.h" Markus Elfring <Markus.Elfring@web.de> - 2012-10-12 17:45 +0200
                Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Noob <root@127.0.0.1> - 2012-10-01 18:10 +0200
              Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Nick Bowler <nbowler@draconx.ca> - 2012-10-01 19:28 +0000
              Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2012-10-01 15:19 -0700
                Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2012-10-01 23:57 +0000
      Re: Trivial C11 threads.h wrapper (public domain) Jens Gustedt <jens.gustedt@loria.fr> - 2012-10-02 14:48 +0200

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