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Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously?

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:13:39 -0700, Kelsey Bjarnason chiseled
j9qfc8-583.ln1@spankydtr.localhost.net in stone using Trajan:

> [snips]
> 
> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 23:30:03 -0400, Michael Black wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011, RayLopez99 wrote:
>> 
>>> Again, I ask the timeless rhetorical question:  who is seriously using
>>> Linux for Serious Work?  Since the first time I've posted this thread,
>>> from years ago, only ONE (1) person has shown me they do Serious Work
>>> (a defined term--for you first time viewers--I'm talking about an OS
>>> that supports the Office Suite).  This one person was a contract
>>> manager who insisted on using Linux.  He was valuable enough to his
>>> organization that they let him get away with this stunt, and he ended
>>> up converting all Linux work into Office format using some emulator
>>> like Wine I suppose, or perhaps Linux somehow can export to .docx
>>> format, though I don't see how.
>>>
>>> One person in all these years.  Just one.
>>>
>>> Case closed.
>> 
>> What case?
>> 
>> All of my work is done on Linux, has been for a decade.
>> 
>> Of course none of it is "serious", as you define it
> 
> "Serious work", as he defines it, is limited solely to the use of two or
> three specific applications. 

It goes further than that. He believes that merely owning the programs 
qualifies as "serious work."

> He has no grasp of the difference between
> a job and the tools used to do the job, nor of the fact that beyond the
> scope of word processing and spreadsheeting exists a whole world of
> computing tasks.
> 
>> Everything I do has to be done on Linux, I don't wishy-washy jump
>> between operating systems.
> 
> There's a whole two apps left which I need for $job, which are Windows
> based.  We're working on eliminating them.
> 
> Sad story:
> 
> The other net admin disappeared the other day.  Wasn't sure where he got
> to so I went looking.  He was sitting in the accountant's office, poking
> at the accountant's PC.  Seems said PC was having "problems" - slow,
> random lockups, that sort of thing.  Symptomatically, it looked like it
> might be a virus.
> 
> Oh, no, can't be that, he runs AV software.  Still, never hurts to
> check, so the other net admin digs up a couple of different AV apps and
> lets 'em run a while.  Not to completion; in 2 hours give or take, the
> fastest of 'em is about a third of the way done.  In any case, the
> results?
> 
> One found 17 viruses, the other found 49.  Both in less than a full run.
> 
> 49 and possibly more viruses, on a machine *with* AV installed.  Not too
> surprising it wasn't a happy machine.
> 
> Here's the fun part, IMO: assuming one finished the scan, removed all
> the viruses and got a "clean" report: exactly how much can you trust the
> machine or the report?

It also depends on what the AV product considers malware.

For example, if you go on a shopping site, purchase some items, and then 
check a box to allow your purchases to be remembered so that the site can 
recommend items based upon your shopping habits, that may get saved in a 
cookie on your computer.

And even though you have checked the box and have explicitly allowed this 
cookie to exist on your system, it may be seen as malware by the AV 
program. But the AV program won't tell you this at the time you're 
agreeing to have the cookie saved, which would be the best time for the 
program to warn you about potential dangers of having that cookie saved on 
your computer.

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        Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-11 12:25 +0100
  Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Chris <chrisdhaag@googlemail.com> - 2011-06-10 23:59 +0000
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                Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-13 00:22 -0700
    Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2011-06-12 15:17 -0700
  Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Lyrik <jenserikbech@gmail.com> - 2011-06-10 17:28 -0700
    Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-11 01:42 -0700
  Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2011-06-10 23:30 -0400
    Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2011-06-12 15:13 -0700
      Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-13 02:59 +0100
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        Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2011-06-12 22:02 -0700
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                Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Gregory Shearman <ZekeGregory@netscape.net> - 2011-06-14 00:45 +0000
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    Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? An Old Friend <an.old@friend.com.invalid> - 2011-06-11 12:26 +0100
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      Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2011-06-11 17:14 +0100
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  Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Ian Hilliard <nospam@nowhere> - 2011-06-12 14:21 +0200
    Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? JeffM <jeffm_@email.com> - 2011-06-12 13:45 -0700
      Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? flatfish+++ <flatfish@marianatrench.com> - 2011-06-12 17:11 -0400
        Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Hadron<hadronquark@gmail.com> - 2011-06-13 05:42 +0200
        Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2011-06-13 08:04 -0500
  Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Norman Peelman <npeelman@cfl.rr.com> - 2011-06-12 08:27 -0400
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    Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? RayLopez99 <raylopez88@gmail.com> - 2011-06-12 10:00 -0700
      Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? hanukas <jukka@liimatta.org> - 2011-06-13 00:45 -0700
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  Re: Who SERIOUSLY uses Linux for SERIOUS WORK, seriously? Lyrik <jenserikbech@gmail.com> - 2011-06-13 15:15 -0700
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