Re: Objects comparaison ?

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From	Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de>
Organization	PointedEars Software (PES)
Date	2011-10-16 11:41 +0200
Subject	Re: Objects comparaison ?
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dhtml wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> dhtml wrote:
>> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> >> dhtml wrote:
>> >> > Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> >> >> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>> >> >> > 13.10.2011 22:21, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> >> >> >> Java's equals() method [– which exists precisely for that
>> >> >> >> purpose – should provide a good start for an implementation in
>> >> >> >> ECMAScript.]
>>
>> >> > Java `Object.equals` does nothing more than use Java's == which is
>> >> > analagous to JavaScript's ===.
>>
>> >> I did not write `Object.equals()', if you cared to notice.
>>
>> > Which Java equals() method did you mean?
>>
>> Context matters.  By "should provide a good *start* for an implementation
>> *in* ECMAScript" I was referring to the *concept* of Java's
>> Object.equals() method, a method which is *overriden* by subclasses.
>
> Not necessarily.

Most definitely it is.  There is String.equals() and, say, Boolean.equals().  
Both are subclasses of Object and override Object.equals().

> Object `equals` method may be overridden but this is often neglected by
> programmers. Java guidelines for how to override `equals` are applicable
> here.

ACK

>> Consider then, for example, String.equals(), which is necessary in Java
>> because there are no primitive string values in *Java*, and
>> `x == "foo"' would be useless (it would always result in `false').  
> 
> Not always. Depends if it'd been interned. […]

ACK

>> The OP was wondering about the difference between comparing two object
>> references and two primitive strings in an ECMAScript implementation.
> Two different String objects can never be == as they are different
> objects. Two primitive strings may be == or ===. A primitive string
> and a string object may be == but never ===.
> 
> var A1 = new String("a");
> var A2 = new String("a");
> var a = "a";
> 
> a  == A1; // true
> a  == A2; // true
> A1 == A2; // false
> 
> a === A1; // false
> 
> You know this, but not all readers will.

My point was the difference when comparing values of the same type, with 
different types each.  But yes, it is valuable to know that, in ECMAScript, 
object references are internally converted to primitive values (through 9.1 
ToPrimitive and 9.3 ToNumber, and eventually a native object's toString() or 
valueOf() methods) when loosely compared against primitive values.
 

PointedEars
-- 
Prototype.js was written by people who don't know javascript for people
who don't know javascript. People who don't know javascript are not
the best source of advice on designing systems that use javascript.
  -- Richard Cornford, cljs, <f806at$ail$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk>

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  Re: Objects comparaison ? "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2011-10-13 21:47 +0300
    Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-13 21:21 +0200
      Re: Objects comparaison ? "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2011-10-13 22:40 +0300
        Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-13 21:46 +0200
          Re: Objects comparaison ? dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-13 13:11 -0700
            Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-14 01:26 +0200
              Re: Objects comparaison ? dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-14 12:41 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-15 21:37 +0200
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                Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-16 11:41 +0200
                Re: Objects comparaison ? dhtml <dhtmlkitchen@gmail.com> - 2011-10-16 09:05 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-16 21:59 +0200
                Re: Objects comparaison ? John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-17 10:53 +0100
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                Re: Objects comparaison ? John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-18 15:23 +0100
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-18 19:48 +0200
                Re: Objects comparaison ? John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-19 17:08 +0100
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                Re: Objects comparaison ? Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2011-10-23 11:43 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Antony Scriven <adscriven@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 15:32 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-19 16:54 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Antony Scriven <adscriven@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 17:32 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? "Michael Haufe (TNO)" <tno@thenewobjective.com> - 2011-10-19 18:39 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-19 16:32 +0100
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 14:18 -0700
                Re: Objects comparaison ? Antony Scriven <adscriven@gmail.com> - 2011-10-19 15:46 -0700
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                Re: Objects comparison ? John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-21 15:38 +0100
                Re: Objects comparison ? Andreas Bergmaier <andber93@web.de> - 2011-10-22 19:40 +0200
                Re: Objects comparison ? John G Harris <john@nospam.demon.co.uk> - 2011-10-23 11:49 +0100
                Re: Objects comparison ? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2011-10-24 19:00 +0200
                Re: Objects comparison ? Scott Sauyet <scott.sauyet@gmail.com> - 2011-10-21 05:29 -0700
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      Re: Objects comparaison ? unbewusst.sein@fai.invalid (Une Bévue) - 2011-10-14 06:11 +0200
        Re: Objects comparaison ? "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2011-10-14 08:07 +0300
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            Re: Objects comparaison ? "Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> - 2011-10-14 08:59 +0300
              Re: Objects comparaison ? unbewusst.sein@fai.invalid (Une Bévue) - 2011-10-14 08:36 +0200
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