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Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!)

From Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!)
Date 2026-03-31 14:22 +0300
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2026 11:53:29 +0100
Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:

> On 31/03/2026 10:11, Michael S wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Mar 2026 12:10:46 +0100
> > Bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> On 30/03/2026 10:26, Janis Papanagnou wrote:  
> >>> On 2026-03-28 14:05, DFS wrote:  
> >>>> On 3/28/2026 1:59 AM, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> >>>> [...]
> >>>>     
> >>>>> But okay. When
> >>>>> I read about the tasks to implement the first thought that came
> >>>>> up was to use an appropriate language or tool-set, one that fits
> >>>>> better for the task, tasks that at least I consider annoying to
> >>>>> implement them in "C" because that language doesn't support it
> >>>>> well, because of C's primitivity (its low-level'ness). But okay;
> >>>>> we're in a C-group and the residents need feeding. - Why is it
> >>>>> that I consider it annoying in "C"? - Because I'd have liked to
> >>>>> implement such tasks based on existing _building blocks_; like
> >>>>> associative arrays, sensible array data types, and what not.
> >>>>> Instead of constructing and building a car with tools like an
> >>>>> axe and a stone, wouldn't it be a more sensible to create useful
> >>>>> tools in "C" to make such challenges concentrate more on the
> >>>>> actual problem than on how to reinvent the simplest tasks again
> >>>>> and again? - I'd certainly consider it worthwhile to challenge
> >>>>> implementations of building blocks that alleviate C-programmers
> >>>>> from all the boring error-prone and low-level tasks that are
> >>>>> celebrated ad nauseam. - The question I'd ask myself if faced
> >>>>> with (arbitrary or useful) requirements would be what elementary
> >>>>> functions I'd need to construct the solution. Such identified
> >>>>> and isolated features, i.e. their implementation, would have a
> >>>>> persistent value for more than a single arbitrary "C"
> >>>>> challenge.  
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think one word would've sufficed where you used 235: python  
> >>>
> >>> Sorry, I cannot associate that statement with anything I said. -
> >>> What is that "235: python" referring to? - Mind to elaborate?  
> >>
> >> The 235 refers to the number of words in your paragraph (I haven't
> >> checked).
> >>  
> > 
> > I did. There are 223 words.
> > So, now I have more interesting question - how did DFS come to
> > number 235? If by eye sight - it's impressively precise. If by use
> > of word count utility - it's too imprecise.  
> 
> OK, now I have to count them! If I use 'wc' on the original paragraph 
> that JP wrote, which starts like this:
> 
>     Some requirements appear to be quite arbitrary. But okay. ...
> 
> Then it says 230 words. But there was also another line before that 
> paragraph which was this:
> 
>     Ruminations on the recent "C" challenges...
> 
> If that is included, then 'wc' reports 236 words. (It's also possible 
> that DFS mistyped the value.)
> 
> Presumably your count starts from 'But okay;'; then I get 223 words
> too.
> 
> 

Yes, I took paragraph as quoted by DFS. Now I see that in original post
the paragraph was longer.

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I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 10:38 -0400
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! John McCue <jmclnx@gmail.com.invalid> - 2026-03-22 17:29 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 14:20 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! John McCue <jmclnx@SPAMisBADgmail.com> - 2026-03-23 01:23 +0000
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-24 00:43 -0700
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 04:38 -0400
          Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-24 14:02 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 12:03 -0400
              Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-24 22:18 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-24 12:39 -0700
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2026-03-25 04:07 +0000
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-25 01:17 -0400
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-22 19:27 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 16:34 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-22 21:24 +0000
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 18:15 -0400
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-22 23:02 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 19:14 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-23 00:05 +0000
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-23 00:06 -0400
          Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-24 11:03 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-24 12:58 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 13:17 -0400
              Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-25 00:29 +0000
                Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-25 23:38 -0400
                Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-26 12:08 +0000
                Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-26 08:34 -0400
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-22 23:11 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 19:16 -0400
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-22 23:19 +0000
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-22 23:21 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 19:41 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-23 00:09 +0000
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-23 00:10 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-23 10:53 +0200
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-23 10:56 -0400
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-24 11:04 +0000
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-23 12:26 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-03-26 19:59 -0700
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-27 12:16 -0400
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-28 09:20 -0400
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-22 23:53 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-22 23:40 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-23 16:03 +0000
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 13:10 -0400
          Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-24 20:29 +0000
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-23 22:26 +0000
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-24 13:06 -0400
          Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-25 11:54 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-25 18:07 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-26 09:41 -0400
              Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-26 16:37 +0000
            Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Tristan Wibberley <tristan.wibberley+netnews2@alumni.manchester.ac.uk> - 2026-03-26 15:37 +0000
  Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-03-25 12:32 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-25 23:21 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-03-26 04:02 +0000
        Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-26 00:14 -0400
          Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-26 01:02 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2026-03-26 15:32 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-26 11:35 -0400
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-03-26 16:40 +0000
    Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2026-03-27 17:24 +0000
      Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge! DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-28 00:52 -0400
        Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-03-28 06:59 +0100
          Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-28 09:05 -0400
            Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-03-30 11:26 +0200
              Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-30 12:10 +0100
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-31 12:11 +0300
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2026-03-31 11:53 +0100
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-31 14:22 +0300
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-31 13:07 -0400
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-03-31 21:15 +0300
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-31 16:59 -0400
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2026-04-01 01:02 +0300
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2026-03-31 18:24 -0400
                [OT] Slaving away with word-counts (was Re: Ruminations [...]) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-04-01 02:19 +0200
              Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2026-03-30 20:33 -0400
                Re: Ruminations about the recent challenges (was Re: I think this could be an interesting challenge!) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2026-03-31 09:00 +0200

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