Re: Experimental C Build System

From	Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c, comp.unix.programmer
Subject	Re: Experimental C Build System
Date	2024-02-09 18:42 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<20240209103252.434@kylheku.com> (permalink)
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On 2024-02-09, bart <bc@freeuk.com> wrote:
> On 09/02/2024 17:13, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>>  The feeling
>> was almost as if Microsoft had invented C and Unix didn't exist.
>
> There's Windows. There's Linux. And then there are MS development tools.
>
> People tend to mix up those tools with Windows.

Yes, just like people tend to post to newsgroups saying that
everything screams "C" in Linux.

> Note that MS also have 
> languages such as VB, F# and C#, all working on top of CLI/CIL 
> (whichever it is, perhaps both), and something called .NET. I'm not sure 
> they even acknowledge the existence of C anymore.

>> Modern Windows now even has the equivalent of a C library: the UCRT
>> (universal C run time), a public library, okay to use by applications,
>> which has your malloc, printf and all that.
>
> It's called now MSVCRT.DLL.

Umm, no.

> I've used that since the 90s, simply because 
> it was simpler than WinAPI. I was only vaguely aware then that it was 
> also to do with C.

You didn't use /that/ since the 90s. UCRT is a new thing that ships with
Windows 10, and is available as an add on for as back as Windows 7, an
that's it.

MSVCRT.DLL is not documented for public use; when you link to it,
you're sticking a fork into the proverbial toaster. UCRT is different.

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Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 13:53 +0100
  Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 14:01 +0000
    Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-04 18:36 +0100
    Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-04 22:46 +0000
      Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-04 23:29 +0000
        Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 15:32 -0800
        Re: Experimental C Build System Jim Jackson <jj@franjam.org.uk> - 2024-02-05 17:37 +0000
          Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 18:03 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-05 18:42 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 13:25 -0800
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-05 21:31 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 13:40 -0800
                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-05 22:29 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 14:39 -0800
              Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-05 22:47 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-06 00:03 +0000
            Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-05 19:16 +0000
      Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 00:07 +0000
        Re: Experimental C Build System "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-04 16:10 -0800
          Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-05 10:41 -0600
            Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-05 18:13 +0000
              Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-06 23:41 -0600
                Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 09:56 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-07 11:10 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-08 11:05 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-07 15:09 +0100
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-07 14:21 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> - 2024-02-07 10:11 -0600
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 20:46 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 14:54 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-07 16:15 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-07 17:34 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System [Ben] olcott <polcott2@gmail.com> - 2024-02-07 22:50 -0600
                Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 09:40 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-08 11:55 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 12:32 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-08 16:35 +0100
                Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-08 16:31 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-08 21:24 +0100
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-08 16:50 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-02-08 17:04 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-08 17:10 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-08 17:25 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-08 23:30 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-08 17:38 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-02-08 21:30 +0100
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 00:58 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 01:14 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-09 01:18 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 01:27 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 01:30 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 10:32 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-02-09 13:16 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 02:07 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 15:49 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 17:13 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 18:24 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-09 10:34 -0800
                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 18:42 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 20:41 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-09 21:56 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2024-02-09 22:43 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-09 21:06 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 15:31 +0000
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            Re: Experimental C Build System Malcolm McLean <malcolm.arthur.mclean@gmail.com> - 2024-02-05 23:18 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 19:20 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-06 20:32 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 20:34 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-02-06 13:07 -0800
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-06 21:39 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2024-02-07 15:02 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 20:36 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 20:48 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 21:15 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-07 23:15 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-07 23:58 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-02-08 01:33 +0000
                Re: Experimental C Build System Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-02-08 01:34 +0000
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                Re: Experimental C Build System Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> - 2024-02-07 02:18 +0000
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