Re: encapsulating directory operations

From	wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: encapsulating directory operations
Date	2025-06-08 02:43 +0800
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On Sat, 2025-06-07 at 18:31 +0200, Bonita Montero wrote:
> Am 07.06.2025 um 13:58 schrieb wij:
> 
> > C++ is no better, probably worse. Firstly, the term 'exception' (and
> > 'vector' probably) is disabled in human mind to think about exception.
> 
> I deal with exceptions every day and I've no problems with that. C++
> exceptions aren't that clean like Java exceptions, but still make much
> less work than C return code handling.

The error from opendir(..):

       EACCES Permission denied.
       EBADF  fd is not a valid file descriptor opened for reading.
       EMFILE The  per-process limit on the number of open file descriptors has
              been reached.
       ENFILE The system-wide limit on the total number of open files has  been
              reached.
       ENOENT Directory does not exist, or name is an empty string.
       ENOMEM Insufficient memory to complete the operation.
       ENOTDIR name is not a directory.
       ...

Those are just common errors, there are actually more, and more from subsequent
read/write/.... File operations (particularily directory) are actually very nasty.

I think your 'less work' was from simplication or idealization, lots are 
simplified and idealized.  
We have no problem is because our average programs don't need to handle those 
individual errors, but C's major task is to build OS, not average applications.

> > C++ had been trying to HIDE error (exception) from its beginning, very wrong
> > and very unsuccessful.
> 
> Exceptions are the cleanest way of error handling. 

Conditional. As said 'simplified'.

> In most cases you
> deal with the error in a higher function and not in the leaf of the
> call graph; therefore exceptions are perfect.

If you can handle errors that way, C can also do it in much simpler way.
The basic problem of throwing error is losing error context, it is similar
to set a global errno (or object) and cause the program to stack unwind.

C++ has many artificial fancy things and encourages such programming style.
Good or bad? Both, but I would say mostly bad.

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encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 16:06 +1000
  Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-20 07:27 +0000
    Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 19:33 +1000
      Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 00:10 +0000
        Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 10:23 +1000
          Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 03:37 +0000
            Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 20:00 +1000
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 06:49 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-22 07:02 +0000
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Jakob Bohm <egenagwemdimtapsar@jbohm.dk> - 2025-08-17 21:04 +0200
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-08-18 00:30 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-08-19 18:09 -0400
            Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-21 19:51 -0400
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 05:04 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-22 14:13 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 22:46 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-22 19:07 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-22 23:15 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 09:26 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 00:44 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-24 02:26 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-22 20:10 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 02:08 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-23 19:29 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-24 00:08 +0000
    Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-05-31 08:20 +0200
      Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 21:42 +0000
        Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-01 07:58 +0200
          Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-01 07:43 +0000
            Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:35 +0200
              Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-02 15:24 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-06-02 19:14 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-02 23:54 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-03 01:02 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 19:41 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-03 18:25 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 10:29 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-06 14:10 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 19:10 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-06 17:24 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 19:26 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 04:04 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 06:24 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 19:58 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 18:31 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 02:43 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 21:22 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 03:56 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-07 23:57 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 10:06 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-06-08 08:55 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 17:02 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-06-08 15:08 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 17:18 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-06-09 09:20 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 12:58 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-08 16:55 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-08 17:45 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-10 03:21 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 22:07 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 07:13 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-06-09 10:21 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 13:01 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 22:52 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 17:06 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 00:28 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 22:05 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 06:51 +0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-09 07:59 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 13:04 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-06-07 23:12 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 17:11 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-08 16:58 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 11:48 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-08 22:09 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-09 14:01 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 17:24 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-09 15:53 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 19:45 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-09 18:33 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 20:39 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-06-10 07:21 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-10 13:19 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-06-10 14:46 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 12:08 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-10 20:22 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-06-09 19:22 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-09 18:59 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 09:51 +0200
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:37 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 14:07 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-10 14:36 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 16:40 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-10 16:52 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 23:33 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 07:07 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-11 05:34 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-11 13:41 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 17:33 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-12 01:33 +0000
  Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 02:18 -0700
    Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-20 10:33 +0100
      Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 19:45 +1000
      Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-20 13:42 +0200
      Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-20 13:55 +0000
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          Re: encapsulating directory operations Muttley@DastardlyHQ.org - 2025-05-20 14:09 +0000
            Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 00:15 +1000
          Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 00:48 +1000
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            Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-24 06:54 +0100
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              Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-27 19:24 +0200
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-27 16:16 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-28 16:04 +0300
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-28 22:54 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-29 10:21 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-06 17:16 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-06 17:26 -0700
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          Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-20 15:37 +0100
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                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-20 19:34 +0000
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          Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 09:09 +1000
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            Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 00:18 +0000
              Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 10:31 +1000
            Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 01:02 +0000
          Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 16:18 -0700
            Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 09:57 +1000
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                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 20:41 +1000
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                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 20:58 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:10 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 15:32 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 09:16 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 18:38 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 08:12 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-25 15:34 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 09:01 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-05-25 23:25 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 02:28 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 21:27 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:08 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 22:20 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:43 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 07:54 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-25 15:29 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 08:40 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 03:29 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:46 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-26 09:43 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-26 17:16 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-05-26 04:05 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 08:31 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-26 03:37 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Harnden <richard.harnden@gmail.invalid> - 2025-05-23 16:09 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 17:50 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-23 16:57 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 18:00 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 17:22 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 11:10 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 20:27 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 21:35 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 21:10 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-23 23:13 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-23 22:22 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-24 06:46 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 07:27 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 09:39 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:37 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-29 06:11 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 13:41 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-29 15:08 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 17:36 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-29 17:18 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 18:51 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 14:31 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 14:29 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 13:38 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-29 12:55 -0400
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 18:48 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 03:10 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 11:20 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 11:54 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 16:02 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 16:26 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 17:42 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 17:39 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-07-01 10:09 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-30 18:04 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-29 21:24 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-05-29 23:24 +0300
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 21:27 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 13:45 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 22:09 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-29 21:19 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-29 22:40 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 18:18 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:10 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 19:23 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 13:05 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 00:00 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-06-04 17:30 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 20:48 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 21:09 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-06-05 08:18 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 04:58 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-04 19:19 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 05:24 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-04 21:30 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 22:38 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 19:31 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-06-05 08:32 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 19:28 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 20:25 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-06-06 03:26 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:22 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-06-04 23:48 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-10 07:18 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-29 14:50 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 00:05 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-05-30 17:37 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2025-05-30 17:25 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 17:39 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-30 17:32 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-30 02:46 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-30 03:42 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 07:34 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-23 21:10 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 21:31 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-23 22:05 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-24 01:27 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-06-10 08:52 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 13:35 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-10 21:34 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 15:09 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-11 01:16 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-06-10 19:11 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-11 15:23 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-11 11:57 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-06-11 15:32 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2026-02-03 04:39 -0800
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 08:44 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 08:06 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 18:24 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-23 02:19 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 19:31 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:45 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 13:59 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-23 07:52 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-23 01:18 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 09:48 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-26 00:15 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-26 11:50 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 07:26 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-30 18:47 +1000
            Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 02:21 +0000
              Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-20 22:49 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 20:44 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-05-21 12:06 +0100
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 11:15 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2025-05-21 21:02 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2025-05-21 19:49 +0000
              Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 19:38 +1000
          Re: encapsulating directory operations James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2025-05-20 22:26 -0400
            Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-21 03:32 +0000
              Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 19:50 +1000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 00:03 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Jakob Bohm <egenagwemdimtapsar@jbohm.dk> - 2025-05-22 02:20 +0200
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-22 02:53 +0000
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 22:14 -0700
                Re: encapsulating directory operations Jakob Bohm <egenagwemdimtapsar@jbohm.dk> - 2025-08-17 22:34 +0200
          Re: encapsulating directory operations antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-05-21 21:19 +0000
            Re: encapsulating directory operations Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-23 01:17 +0000
  Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-21 04:35 +0200
    Re: encapsulating directory operations "Paul Edwards" <mutazilah@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 19:45 +1000
      Re: encapsulating directory operations Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-21 17:07 +0200
  Re: encapsulating directory operations Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2025-05-22 20:34 +0200
  Re: encapsulating directory operations Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-05-24 22:10 -0700

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