Re: Wing mirrors on cars

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	uk.rec.driving, uk.d-i-y, alt.home.repair
Subject	Re: Wing mirrors on cars
Date	2018-01-08 21:03 -0700
Message-ID	<fbit7uFaintU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 01/08/2018 01:19 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
> On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 19:43:12 -0000, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/08/2018 07:05 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
>>> On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 11:56:21 -0000, <boltar@cylonhq.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018 11:29:53 +0000
>>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 08/01/18 10:01, boltar@cylonHQ.com wrote:
>>>>>> Do you know how a clutch works? Once it bites the engine rpm drops to
>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> the gearbox ratio and wheel speed allows and it probably isn't at
>>>>>> the max
>>>>>> torque peak.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh dear. You obviously dont know how a clutch works
>>>>
>>>> I think I have a better idea than you. Hint - clutches arn't built to
>>>> slip for
>>>> any significant period of time. Perhaps you should stick to driving
>>>> autos.
>>>
>>> I believe (just going by what bikers have told me) that wet clutches
>>> are.  Dry clutches like on cars are not.
>>>
>>
>> They are on many bikes. Typically is is a multi-plate clutch running in
>> an oil bath, either the engine oil or a separate compartment. Harley,
>> for example, uses different lubricants in the transmission/clutch and
>> the engine. With bikes that use the engine oil, you have to be careful
>> about some oil blends that add anti-friction compounds.
>>
>> That said, other than at shift points, the slipping is done at parking
>> lot speeds. You actually hold the engine rpm steady and control the
>> speed with the clutch engagement.
>
> That sounds like they're no better than dry clutches.
>

Controlling speed with a dry clutch for any distance may result in 
copious quantities of smoke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K50n5eCGQI

That's a good summary of the differences. Oddly noise is a big factor. 
Keeping the mandated noise levels down has resulted in other design 
changes like water cooling. There are other benefits but wrapping the 
engine in a water jacket damps down the noise.

BMW traditionally used a dry clutch that was a pain in the ass to 
maintain. That had nothing to do with wet versus dry but the rather 
automotive design with the crankshaft oriented longitudinally rather 
than transversely where the clutch is hanging out in the breeze.

My first bike had a dry clutch, but it was also a foot operated clutch 
where you changed gears with your hand. That made low speed maneuvering 
interesting. Borrowing a smaller bike with a hand clutch for the road 
test was a good idea.

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Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 13:52 +0000
  Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-05 16:45 +0000
    Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-05 21:16 +0000
      Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-05 22:25 +0000
      Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-08 10:01 +0000
        Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-08 11:29 +0000
          Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-08 11:56 +0000
            Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-08 14:05 +0000
              Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-08 12:43 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-08 20:19 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-08 21:03 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-09 14:30 +0000
        Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-08 16:21 +0000
          Re: Wing mirrors on cars Tim Streater <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2018-01-08 16:46 +0000
          Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-09 09:32 +0000
            Re: Wing mirrors on cars Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-12 21:56 +0000
              Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-12 22:02 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-15 09:50 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 19:56 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-16 09:31 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 15:53 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-16 16:22 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 17:02 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Mr Pounder Esquire" <MrPounder@RationalThought.com> - 2018-01-16 18:30 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 20:28 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Mr Pounder Esquire" <MrPounder@RationalThought.com> - 2018-01-16 20:34 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 20:53 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Mr Pounder Esquire" <MrPounder@RationalThought.com> - 2018-01-16 21:11 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 22:16 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars roger@hayter.org (Roger Hayter) - 2018-01-16 21:08 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 22:15 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-16 23:47 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-17 09:52 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Peeler <sociopath's@nightmare.invalid> - 2018-01-17 12:33 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-17 16:33 +0000
              Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-13 11:05 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-13 20:28 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-13 21:04 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-13 22:05 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2018-01-13 22:09 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2018-01-13 22:34 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2018-01-14 10:57 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-14 13:04 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Mr Pounder Esquire" <MrPounder@RationalThought.com> - 2018-01-14 21:15 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "BurfordTJustice" <burford/associate@uk.MI15> - 2018-01-14 16:23 -0500
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Mr Pounder Esquire" <MrPounder@RationalThought.com> - 2018-01-14 21:35 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "BurfordTJustice" <burford/associate@uk.MI15> - 2018-01-14 16:38 -0500
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 00:11 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Peeler <sociopath's@nightmare.invalid> - 2018-01-15 00:07 +0100
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 19:52 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 19:52 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-13 15:12 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-14 21:09 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-14 15:40 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 00:11 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-14 20:06 -0700
                Re: lowbrowman, Birdbrain's senile whore! The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-15 11:58 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-13 15:06 -0700
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-15 09:58 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk - 2018-01-15 10:26 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 20:00 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-15 19:59 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-16 09:33 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-16 12:35 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-16 16:21 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-16 17:02 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-14 22:31 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-14 23:13 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-15 15:53 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-15 21:00 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-16 16:54 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-17 14:39 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-19 01:17 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-22 10:06 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-22 23:53 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-23 09:36 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-23 09:38 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-23 13:44 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-23 15:02 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-15 16:24 +0000
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      Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-19 12:16 +0000
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            Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-19 18:36 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-20 07:01 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-20 16:05 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-20 11:09 +0100
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-20 15:01 -0700
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 00:51 +0000
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                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 15:51 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-24 16:02 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 16:29 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-24 20:09 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-25 11:08 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-25 11:18 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 08:12 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-25 15:41 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 19:32 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-26 10:00 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 08:38 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-26 15:50 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 19:58 -0700
                Re: lowbrowman, Birdbrain's senile whore! The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-27 11:33 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 17:54 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 19:22 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars soup <cheesesoupnews@hotmail.com> - 2018-01-27 02:43 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 23:27 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-24 17:06 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 18:38 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-24 19:52 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 20:03 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-24 20:07 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 20:18 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-25 00:48 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-25 00:52 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-24 20:02 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "dennis@home" <dennis@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-25 12:05 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-25 14:46 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:39 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 08:18 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-25 15:38 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-25 17:23 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk - 2018-01-25 18:55 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-25 23:44 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk - 2018-01-26 00:32 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 00:41 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 18:19 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 00:41 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 18:19 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 19:38 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 16:11 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 18:19 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 20:05 -0700
                Re: lowbrowman, Birdbrain's senile whore! The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-27 11:33 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 19:47 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-26 09:12 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Jimbo" <kinvig.netta@ntlworld.com> - 2018-01-26 09:34 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2018-01-26 09:37 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-26 09:38 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-26 10:44 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 08:20 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-26 15:40 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 17:56 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 19:24 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 19:47 -0700
                Re: lowbrowman, Birdbrain's senile whore! The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-27 11:34 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars roger@hayter.org (Roger Hayter) - 2018-01-26 10:00 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2018-01-26 13:08 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-26 14:20 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-26 14:54 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 08:22 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-26 15:39 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 19:51 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 17:57 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 19:26 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 19:54 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-26 11:28 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 19:43 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 17:55 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 19:28 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 20:12 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-26 09:55 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-26 10:50 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "dennis@home" <dennis@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-25 16:22 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:40 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 19:49 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 16:12 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 18:19 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2018-01-25 22:29 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 23:33 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk - 2018-01-26 00:45 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 19:52 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars damduck-egg@yahoo.co.uk - 2018-01-26 08:50 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 08:29 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-25 00:34 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 14:39 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "NY" <me@privacy.net> - 2018-01-23 09:54 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-23 10:04 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-23 21:47 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "dennis@home" <dennis@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-23 23:04 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-24 21:36 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-25 11:08 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 14:36 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-24 00:22 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-24 09:40 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-24 13:12 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-24 13:58 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-25 00:12 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-24 13:40 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-24 14:01 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-24 14:30 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 14:43 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-24 14:57 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 15:16 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Steve Walker <steve@walker-family.me.uk> - 2018-01-24 22:38 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 23:53 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-24 20:04 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-25 11:10 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:28 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:28 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-25 19:54 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-26 16:12 +0000
                Re: Gay Wanker Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL), the Sociopathic Attention Whore The Peeler <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> - 2018-01-26 18:19 +0100
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2018-01-26 20:07 -0700
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> - 2018-01-25 00:35 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2018-01-25 10:10 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2018-01-25 10:25 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "dennis@home" <dennis@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-25 11:53 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:29 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 14:41 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-24 15:05 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-24 15:18 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "dennis@home" <dennis@invalid.invalid> - 2018-01-25 11:57 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:30 +0000
                Re: Wing mirrors on cars "James Wilkinson Sword" <imvalid@somewear.com> - 2018-01-25 19:34 +0000
        Re: Wing mirrors on cars boltar@cylonHQ.com - 2018-01-22 10:14 +0000
  Re: Wing mirrors on cars Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2018-01-05 17:29 +0000
    Re: Wing mirrors on cars TMS320 <dr6092@gmail.com> - 2018-01-06 00:22 +0000

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