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Re: Q multi-comparison and deLong test

From Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net>
Newsgroups sci.stat.math
Subject Re: Q multi-comparison and deLong test
Date 2023-08-08 19:51 -0400
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2023 07:56:02 -0700 (PDT), Cosine <asecant@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi:
>
> When doing multi-comparison we need to do the correction for the 
> potential increase of the type I error, e.g., the Bonferroni 
> correction. Could we avoid doing this correction by using the deLong 
> test since this method is somehow conservative for comparing multiple 
> pairs of the area under the curve?

The deLong test is a test for ROC curves, which is NOT a 
circumstance where Bonferroni correction would be 
appropriate. 

Looking for the deLong test, I found this article by Frank
Harrell. On a quick read, I take it as a bit of a tough read.  It 
recommends 'Other' -- The link has the full article. 

(Harrell is reliable. Years ago, I promoted his comments
on the hazards of using stepwise regression, and they have
been much cited since then.) 
https://www.fharrell.com/post/addvalue/

After two paragraphs of introduction, it says, 
   Statisticians have no better sense of history than other  
  scientists. In the quest for publishing new ideas, measures of added
value are constantly being invented by statisticians, without asking
whether older methods already solve the problem at hand. Some of the
examples of measures that are commonly used but are not needed in 
  this setting are the -index (F. E. Harrell et al. (1982); area under
the ROC curve if the outcome is binary), and IDI and NRI. They are 
  not needed because measures based on standard regression methods are
not only adequate to the task, but are more powerful and more 
  flexible and insightful,

-- 
Rich Ulrich

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Q multi-comparison and deLong test Cosine <asecant@gmail.com> - 2023-08-08 07:56 -0700
  Re: Q multi-comparison and deLong test Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2023-08-08 19:51 -0400

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