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  Dark  matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2025-06-19 12:15 +0000
    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-19 21:01 +0200
      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-06-20 08:01 +0200
        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-06-21 18:36 -0600
          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-22 12:12 +0200
            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-06-22 12:29 -0500
        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2025-06-23 03:47 +0000
          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-23 20:54 +0200
            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-23 23:37 +0000
              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-25 19:14 +0200
              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-25 10:30 -0700
                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertitaylor) - 2025-06-26 07:15 +0000
                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-26 06:06 -0700
                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-26 15:23 +0200
                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-27 03:47 +0000
                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-26 22:37 -0700
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-26 22:44 -0700
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-26 22:47 -0700
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-27 06:40 +0000
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-26 23:54 -0700
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-27 12:27 +0000
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-27 06:32 -0700
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-26 23:56 -0700
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-28 00:13 +0000
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-28 19:04 -0700
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 02:49 +0000
                                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-06-28 21:21 -0700
                                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 10:16 +0000
                                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-07-04 15:19 -0700
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-27 06:25 -0700
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-28 00:18 +0000
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-27 18:45 -0700
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-01 10:44 +0000
                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-27 06:19 -0700
                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-27 23:49 +0000
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-06-28 03:28 +0000
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-28 06:29 +0000
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-28 13:19 +0200
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-28 14:44 +0200
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-29 05:58 +0200
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 13:37 +0000
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-29 07:31 -0700
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2025-06-29 16:10 -0400
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-06-29 20:23 +0000
                                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2025-06-29 18:53 -0400
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-29 15:02 -0700
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-06-29 18:30 +0200
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 23:10 +0000
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-29 22:22 +0200
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 22:20 +0000
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-29 15:58 -0700
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-30 20:18 +0200
                                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-30 23:52 +0000
                                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-30 18:23 -0700
                                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-03 00:13 +0000
                                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-03 12:30 +0000
                                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-05 11:16 +0200
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-01 00:55 +0000
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-01 01:42 +0000
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-02 22:20 +0000
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-30 18:31 -0700
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-01 02:27 +0000
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-06-30 20:39 -0700
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-28 14:47 +0200
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-06-29 06:01 +0200
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 04:20 +0000
                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 04:18 +0000
                              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-06-29 14:41 +0200
                                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-02 23:57 +0000
                                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-04 08:22 +0200
                                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-04 21:51 +0000
                                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-05 09:44 +0200
                                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-07-05 09:32 +0000
                                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-08 09:30 +0200
                                            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-07-10 23:32 +0000
                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-07-03 14:06 +0000
            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-06-24 10:48 +1000
              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2025-06-24 01:41 +0000
            Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertietaylor) - 2025-06-24 06:20 +0000
              Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-06-24 08:51 +0100
                Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-24 08:41 +0000
                  Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-06-24 11:26 +0100
                    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-24 10:43 +0000
                      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-25 13:03 +0000
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-06-25 14:39 +0100
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (bertitaylor) - 2025-06-25 21:40 +0000
                        Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2025-06-25 15:13 +0100
                          Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-06-25 16:08 +0100
    Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2025-06-29 12:26 +0800
      Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover) bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertitaylor) - 2025-06-29 04:42 +0000

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#893547 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 7:51:23 +0000, Hibou wrote:

> Le 24/06/2025 à 07:20, bertietaylor a écrit :
>>
>> This is the East; we in the East
>> Know the worth of every life. [...]
>
> <Snigger>

Population of India: 1,400,000,000 give or take a few million.

Not eating cows leads to better manners than shown by cow eaters which
leads to greater populations as women appreciate loving attitudes.

>
>
> And in another post:
>
>> Cowardly apes here be, exchanging inanities and thinking themselves
>> smart.
>
> « Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d'un imbécile est une volupté de fin
> gourmet » - Courteline.

This newsgroup is about the usage of English, not French.

WOOF woof woof-woof woof woof-woof

Bertietaylor
>
>> Annoying them is fun.
>> woof woof woof woof
>> Bertietaylor

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#893551 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

Le 24/06/2025 à 09:41, Bertitaylor a écrit :
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 7:51:23 +0000, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 24/06/2025 à 07:20, bertietaylor a écrit :
>>>
>>> Cowardly apes here be, exchanging inanities and thinking themselves
>>> smart.
>>
>> « Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d'un imbécile est une volupté de fin
>> gourmet » - Courteline.
> 
> This newsgroup is about the usage of English, not French.

aue is, though we often digress.

I point out that you started this thread in aue with a post entitled 
'Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)'. What has that 
to do with English usage?

> WOOF woof woof-woof woof woof-woof

Or that?

aue removed from follow-up.

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#893553 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:26:20 +0000, Hibou wrote:

> Le 24/06/2025 à 09:41, Bertitaylor a écrit :
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 7:51:23 +0000, Hibou wrote:
>>> Le 24/06/2025 à 07:20, bertietaylor a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> Cowardly apes here be, exchanging inanities and thinking themselves
>>>> smart.
>>>
>>> « Passer pour un idiot aux yeux d'un imbécile est une volupté de fin
>>> gourmet » - Courteline.
>>
>> This newsgroup is about the usage of English, not French.
>
> aue is, though we often digress.
>
> I point out that you started this thread in aue with a post entitled
> 'Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)'. What has that
> to do with English usage?

It clarifies what the supposed dark matter is, proudly and originally in
the English language.
>
>> WOOF woof woof-woof woof woof-woof
>
> Or that?

That could be considered third person dog voice, an original feat in the
English language by the greatest genius Arindam; when not accepting our
vociferous cyberdog state barking for Arindam from low Heaven.

Bertietaylor
>
> aue removed from follow-up.

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#893568 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 5:20:08 +0000, Hibou wrote:

> Le 24/06/2025 à 11:43, Bertitaylor a écrit :
>> On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 10:26:20 +0000, Hibou wrote:
>>> Le 24/06/2025 à 09:41, Bertitaylor a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> This newsgroup is about the usage of English, not French.
>>>
>>> aue is, though we often digress.
>>>
>>> I point out that you started this thread in aue with a post entitled
>>> 'Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)'. What has that
>>> to do with English usage?
>>
>> It clarifies what the supposed dark matter is, proudly and originally in
>> the English language. [...]
>
> Ah! You posted here for a crit of your usage. Why didn't you say so /en
> toutes lettres/?

Please, the English ruled India and not the French so non comprende if
that makes sense.

>
>> Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover).
>>
>> That way, they are like a very large Moon, with no atmosphere.
>
> Dark matter is the core of stars (beneath the hydrogen cover), so they
> are like very large Moons with no atmosphere.
>
> Something like that (for the usage; I make no comment on the sense).

The sense should be perfectly clear even to the French. Imagine a star
sized Moon. A huge rock. That is dark matter. Such is the sense. Whether
one accepts it or not is another story.
>
>> All stars that have magnetic fields have dark matter as their core.
>
> OK for usage. (The sense doesn't quite square with that of your first
> sentence.)

Don't see why not.
>
>> Over time, they lose their hydrogen and helium cover, which become
>> nebulas.
>
> Over time, they lose their hydrogen and helium cover, which forms
> nebulas.
>
> Over time, they lose their hydrogen and helium, which form nebulas.

A collective noun is singular. You are ignoring the term used, cover.
Why this dishonesty of twisting our words? The term cover shows our
model of a star as a huge rock covered with H and He just as Earth is
with N and O.

Get that clear at least.

Woof woof-woof woof woof woof-woof

Bertietaylor
>
>> Once the dark core (like our Earth without any air, or a large Moon)
>> enters the nebula it once again attracts the hydrogen there, becoming
>> bright once again.
>
> .... it attracts the hydrogen there, and becomes bright again.
>
> (Sense: you imply that the Earth and Moon are also made of dark matter.)
>
>> These happen in trillion year cycles, endlessly.
>
> This happens....
>
>> Woof woof woof woof woof woof
>
> Buzzzzz! Challenge for repetition!

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#893569 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

Le 25/06/2025 à 14:03, Bertitaylor a écrit :
>
> Please, the English ruled India and not the French [...]

Yes, we chose well. Imperialists should remember that the empire of 
today determines the restaurant culture of tomorrow.

Curries! Yum!

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#893583 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On Wed, 25 Jun 2025 13:39:58 +0000, Hibou wrote:

> Le 25/06/2025 à 14:03, Bertitaylor a écrit :
>>
>> Please, the English ruled India and not the French [...]
>
> Yes, we chose well. Imperialists should remember that the empire of
> today determines the restaurant culture of tomorrow.

Imperial fish and chips culture should learn a thing or two about making
better quality fish and chips from Pauline Hanson.
Instead of the horrible mushy pies, please provide green salad with good
dressing.
>
> Curries! Yum!

Not in London, no.

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#893570 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On 25/06/2025 14:03, Bertitaylor wrote:
> The term cover shows our
> model of a star as a huge rock covered with H and He just as Earth is
> with N and O.

Atomic oxygen. Very hazardous.

> 
> 
> -- 

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#893571 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On 25/06/2025 15:13, Phil wrote:
> On 25/06/2025 14:03, Bertitaylor wrote:
>> The term cover shows our
>> model of a star as a huge rock covered with H and He just as 
>> Earth is
>> with N and O.
> 
> Atomic oxygen. Very hazardous.

O2 - Diatomic oxygen, doubly hazardous.

Or H2O - Dihydrogen Monoxide - with Hydrogen AND Oxygen it's just 
asking for trouble.

-- 
Richard Heathfield
Email: rjh at cpax dot org dot uk
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29 July 1999
Sig line 4 vacant - apply within

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#893652 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On 19-June-25 8:15 pm, bertietaylor wrote:
> Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover).

If this were true, then it would show up in our expectation of stellar 
brightness versus mass, and there would be no mystery about there 
appearing to be missing mass.

Sylvia.

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#893655 — Re: Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover)

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 4:26:17 +0000, Sylvia Else wrote:

> On 19-June-25 8:15 pm, bertietaylor wrote:
>> Dark matter is the core of stars (minus hydrogen cover).
>
> If this were true, then it would show up in our expectation of stellar
> brightness versus mass,

Which is the case for there is mass without light.



and there would be no mystery about there
> appearing to be missing mass.


No mystery at all when seen as a star sized rock.

Woof woof woof woof-woof woof

Bertietaylor
>
> Sylvia.

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