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Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles?

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  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-23 10:05 -0800
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 12:34 -0600
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 21:47 +0000
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 22:20 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 14:24 -0800
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 21:40 +0000
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 22:11 +0000
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 16:39 -0800
              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:05 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:11 +0000
                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:15 +0000
                    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:23 +0000
                    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-01-27 11:13 +0100
                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-25 22:50 +0100
                    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 22:10 +0000
                      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-25 23:25 +0100
                        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 22:30 +0000
                          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-26 07:47 +0100
                            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:42 +0000
                              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-26 21:02 +0100
                          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:34 +0000
                          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-26 23:46 -0600
                          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-02-01 23:28 +0100
                            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-02 08:34 +0100
                              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-02-02 11:39 +0100
                                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-02-02 11:13 +0000
                                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2025-02-02 21:30 +0100
                                    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-02-03 02:38 +0000
                                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-02-02 13:41 +0100
                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-25 14:56 -0800
                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:31 +0000
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 02:33 +0000
              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 18:58 -0800
              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:14 +0000
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:23 +0000
                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:39 +0000
                    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-01-25 21:47 +0000
                      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Richard Hachel <r.hachel@liscati.fr.invalid> - 2025-01-26 14:33 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 21:44 +0000
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-23 21:35 -0800
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 05:45 +0000
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-23 22:08 -0800
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-23 22:47 -0800
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 12:12 -0600
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 21:30 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 22:05 +0000
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 12:04 -0600
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-24 10:31 -0800
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 12:53 -0600
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-24 12:43 -0800
              Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-26 15:16 -0600
                Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-27 11:02 -0800
                  Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 18:05 -0600
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 22:26 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 22:28 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 22:40 +0000
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-23 15:06 -0800
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 23:37 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-23 23:45 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 00:21 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? bertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor) - 2025-01-24 03:19 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 04:14 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 04:26 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 04:25 +0000
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Maciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-01-24 07:21 +0100
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 21:44 +0000
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-24 14:44 -0800
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-24 21:51 +0000
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Jim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net> - 2025-01-24 14:46 -0800
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:03 +0000
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) - 2025-01-25 21:22 +0000
    Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-24 09:06 +0100
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 12:14 -0600
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-25 07:53 +0100
      Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-24 10:29 -0800
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-24 12:55 -0600
        Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-01-25 07:54 +0100
          Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-01-25 09:44 -0800
            Re: How do Universities Sell Prestigious Baubles? Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2025-01-25 13:04 -0600

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#890860

Frombertietaylor@myyahoo.com (Bertietaylor)
Date2025-01-24 03:19 +0000
Message-ID<4e4c7a61a7f714116feee7682e7802d8@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890855
On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>
>>>
>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>> monopoly'.
>>>
>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>
>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>
> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.

Abuse of maths from wrong analysis of experiments form the basis of
"modern" physics now debunked thanks to Arindam.

Woof woof woof woof woof woof

Bertietaylor

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#890861

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-24 04:14 +0000
Message-ID<ecd7c5b4cf1aa352ebe287b2bb75704d@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890855
My comments haven't been posted so pardon some redundancy:
Do you think the experiments have proven that parallel lines meet? They
would have to meet for space to curve. You are not addressing the issue,
which is not the experiments but the derivation. Experiments cannot
prove the derivation is sound. I have shown it is not sound and cannot
predict. The Einstein equation merely differs from the Newtonian by
changing the "2" into a "4." The problem is that it is a non-Euclidean
curved space. That is fiction.

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#890863

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-24 04:26 +0000
Message-ID<754a3625ce498f9d626330e3567a1d18@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890855
Do you think the experiments have proven that parallel lines meet? They
would have to meet for space to curve. You are not addressing the issue,
which is not the experiments but the derivation. Experiments cannot
prove the derivation is sound. I have shown it is not sound and cannot
predict. The Einstein equation merely differs from the Newtonian by
changing the "2" into a "4." The problem is that it is a non-Euclidean
curved space. That is fiction.

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#890864

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-24 04:25 +0000
Message-ID<e89f10f5b5eaac5674ecdd1f60417cd5@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890855
test

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#890868

FromMaciej Wozniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
Date2025-01-24 07:21 +0100
Message-ID<181d8cad7568ae54$7339$1407297$c2565adb@news.newsdemon.com>
In reply to#890855
W dniu 24.01.2025 o 00:06, Jim Pennino pisze:
> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>
>>>
>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>> monopoly'.
>>>
>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>
>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
> 
> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.


Speaking about math - it's always good to remind
that your bunch of idiots had to deny its oldest,
very important and successful part  - as it didn't
want to fit the madness of your idiot guru.



> 
> 

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#890887

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-24 21:44 +0000
Message-ID<19f4c836529c5e5ee48b20b9f211a748@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890855
On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>
>>>
>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>> monopoly'.
>>>
>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>
>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>
> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.
Certainly, the simple logic is beyond your comprehension.

Do you think the experiments have proven that parallel lines meet? They
would have to meet for space to curve. You are not addressing the issue,
which is not the experiments, but the derivation. Experiments cannot
prove the derivation is sound. I have shown it is not sound and cannot
predict. The Einstein equation merely differs from the Newtonian by
changing the "2" into a "4." The problem is that it is a non-Euclidean
curved space. That is fiction.

Einstein's derivation of the doubling involved the petitio principii of
presuming parallel lines meet to conclude space curves. Math cannot bend
space because space is not a surface. That would be the reification
fallacy. The math is non-Euclidean and only valid for surfaces other
than plane surfaces. Relativity predicts that if parallel lines meet,
then space is curved, and light is deflected by curved space. The
derivation is not valid. Space does not bend.

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#890890

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2025-01-24 14:44 -0800
Message-ID<knhd6l-p4mm1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#890887
LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>>> monopoly'.
>>>>
>>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>>
>>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>>
>> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.
> Certainly, the simple logic is beyond your comprehension.
> 
> Do you think the experiments have proven that parallel lines meet?

No, and the fact that you ask such a silly question just proves that
all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.

<snip remaining kook babble unread>

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#890888

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-24 21:51 +0000
Message-ID<e982a4a11008517c4ca586672937faae@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890855
On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>
>>>
>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>> monopoly'.
>>>
>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>
>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>
>>>
>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>
> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.
Clearly, you have not comprehended the logic.

Einstein's derivation of the doubling involved the petitio principii of
presuming parallel lines meet to conclude space curves. Math cannot bend
space because space is not a surface. That would be the reification
fallacy. The math is non-Euclidean and only valid for surfaces other
than plane surfaces. Relativity predicts that if parallel lines meet,
then space is curved, and light is deflected by curved space. The
derivation is not valid because space does not bend.

Do you think the experiments have proven that parallel lines meet? They
would have to meet for space to curve. You are not addressing the issue,
which is not the experiments but the derivation. Experiments cannot
prove the derivation is sound. I have shown it is not sound and cannot
predict. Non-Euclidean math is well-known and irrelevant because it
cannot cause space to curve. The Einstein equation merely differs from
the Newtonian by
changing the "2" into a "4." The problem is that it is a non-Euclidean
curved space. That is fiction.

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#890891

FromJim Pennino <jimp@gonzo.specsol.net>
Date2025-01-24 14:46 -0800
Message-ID<dqhd6l-p4mm1.ln1@gonzo.specsol.net>
In reply to#890888
In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:
> 
>> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>>> monopoly'.
>>>>
>>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>>
>>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>>
>> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.
> Clearly, you have not comprehended the logic.

Clearly, you are a babbling kook.

*PLONK*

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#890904

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-25 21:03 +0000
Message-ID<8d722cb36dce37ba7641f1c63b6588d8@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890891
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 22:46:07 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>>>> monopoly'.
>>>>>
>>>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>>>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>>>
>>> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.
>> Clearly, you have not comprehended the logic.
>
> Clearly, you are a babbling kook.
>
> *PLONK*
Ad hominem is a failure to reason.

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#890909

Fromclzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen)
Date2025-01-25 21:22 +0000
Message-ID<6e45436aa0f438ebdeec95693065b3d9@www.novabbs.com>
In reply to#890891
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025 22:46:07 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:

> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 23:06:50 +0000, Jim Pennino wrote:
>>
>>> In sci.physics LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Jan 2025 18:05:49 +0000, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks
>>>>> monopoly'.
>>>>>
>>>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How many planets are there? Who decides the answer for you? A cabal.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> People are so scientifically ignorant that they can be taxed for vast
>>>> research grants on the pretext that space expands and is curved.
>>>
>>> Apparently, all the experiments and math are beyond your comprhension.
>> Clearly, you have not comprehended the logic.
>
> Clearly, you are a babbling kook.
>
> *PLONK*
None of you have been able to defend the derivation of the doubling. You
have not even attempted to grapple with the logic. How can parallel
lines meet when space is not a surface and cannot curve? What is alleged
to cause space to bend? Math?

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#890870

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2025-01-24 09:06 +0100
Message-ID<lvh00gF5028U4@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#890844
Am Donnerstag000023, 23.01.2025 um 19:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>
>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>> slavish, and avoidable.
> 
> 
> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks monopoly'.
> 
> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
> 
> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
> 
> 
> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
> 

No.

You are free to think whatever you like.

But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV, 
teacher or professors tell you.

But it's also not recommended to contradict.

Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** you' 
later.


TH

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#890877

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-24 12:14 -0600
Message-ID<vn0la5$dta4$4@solani.org>
In reply to#890870
On 1/24/25 2:06 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Donnerstag000023, 23.01.2025 um 19:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>
>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>
>>
>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks 
>> monopoly'.
>>
>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>
>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>
>>
>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>
> 
> No.
> 
> You are free to think whatever you like.
> 
> But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV, 
> teacher or professors tell you.
> 
> But it's also not recommended to contradict.
> 
> Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** you' 
> later.
> 
> 
> TH


Which means, Europeans are becoming Sheep too. Being Bitches of USA is 
still better than being Sheep, but... you don't even have that for long.

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#890895

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2025-01-25 07:53 +0100
Message-ID<lvjg2aFhefsU2@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#890877
Am Freitag000024, 24.01.2025 um 19:14 schrieb Physfitfreak:
...
>> You are free to think whatever you like.
>>
>> But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV, 
>> teacher or professors tell you.
>>
>> But it's also not recommended to contradict.
>>
>> Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** 
>> you' later.
>>
>>
>> TH
> 
> 
> Which means, Europeans are becoming Sheep too. Being Bitches of USA is 
> still better than being Sheep, but... you don't even have that for long.

Don't know how you relate your reply to my statement.

i simply wanted to express, that it is not recommended to contradict 
what you are requested to believe from textbooks, tv or your teacher.

You should simply not, say yes and repeat when asked to, but never 
actually believe a single word of that crap.

Actually it's all fraud and fake and almost nothing is like what you are 
told.

The relations of USA to EU is not quite related to this problem, but 
maybe I should reply to that statement, too.

Germany, where I live, has lost too devastating wars against the USA 
(mainly) assisted by their partners Russia and England (and partially 
France).

Germans are sick of wars and have no intentions at all to participate in 
any war whatsoever, which the USA, Russia or the UK wage anywhere upon 
this planet against any nation.

We simply do not want wars, especially not with Russia and even more 
especially not in favor of the Ukraine, because that was a corrupted 
gangster paradise.

TH

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#890878

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-01-24 10:29 -0800
Message-ID<6793DBF6.1F53@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#890870
Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am Donnerstag000023, 23.01.2025 um 19:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
> > LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
> >>
> >> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
> >> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
> >> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
> >> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
> >> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
> >> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
> >> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
> >> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
> >> slavish, and avoidable.
> >
> >
> > They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks monopoly'.
> >
> > (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
> >
> > You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
> >
> >
> > The cabal decides what they want you to think.
> >
> 
> No.
> 
> You are free to think whatever you like.
> 
> But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV,
> teacher or professors tell you.
> 
> But it's also not recommended to contradict.
> 
> Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** you'
> later.
> 
> TH

So tell us what you really think, How many planets are there in our
solar system?


-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#890881

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-24 12:55 -0600
Message-ID<vn0nmk$dta4$6@solani.org>
In reply to#890878
On 1/24/25 12:29 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> Am Donnerstag000023, 23.01.2025 um 19:05 schrieb The Starmaker:
>>> LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is said that simple people are sometimes impressed by glass baubles.
>>>> How do cheap and stupid, fallacious ideas violating basic logic attain
>>>> prestige values and become marketed at universities for fortunes? The
>>>> reification fallacy is an elementary fallacy and a foolish error that a
>>>> child would know better than. However, we find universities convincing
>>>> people that ideas involving this error are highly intelligent, such as
>>>> expanding and bending space. Then, people uncritically and thoughtlessly
>>>> embrace these ideas without a second thought. This is very pathetic,
>>>> slavish, and avoidable.
>>>
>>>
>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks monopoly'.
>>>
>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>
>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> You are free to think whatever you like.
>>
>> But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV,
>> teacher or professors tell you.
>>
>> But it's also not recommended to contradict.
>>
>> Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** you'
>> later.
>>
>> TH
> 
> So tell us what you really think, How many planets are there in our
> solar system?
> 
> 


He's a castrated Sheep. What would he know.

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#890896

FromThomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Date2025-01-25 07:54 +0100
Message-ID<lvjg5cFhefsU3@mid.individual.net>
In reply to#890878
Am Freitag000024, 24.01.2025 um 19:29 schrieb The Starmaker:

>>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks monopoly'.
>>>
>>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
>>>
>>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
>>>
>>>
>>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>> You are free to think whatever you like.
>>
>> But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV,
>> teacher or professors tell you.
>>
>> But it's also not recommended to contradict.
>>
>> Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** you'
>> later.
>>
>> TH
> 
> So tell us what you really think, How many planets are there in our
> solar system?

No, but I can tell you where the sun doesn't shine.

TH

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#890897

FromThe Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Date2025-01-25 09:44 -0800
Message-ID<679522E2.42FB@ix.netcom.com>
In reply to#890896
Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am Freitag000024, 24.01.2025 um 19:29 schrieb The Starmaker:
> 
> >>> They become marketed at universities for fortunes by the ...'textbooks monopoly'.
> >>>
> >>> (of course the teachers textbooks come with the answers)
> >>>
> >>> You need to investigate the 'textbooks monopoly' cartel.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The cabal decides what they want you to think.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> You are free to think whatever you like.
> >>
> >> But it is not really recommended to actually believe what your TV,
> >> teacher or professors tell you.
> >>
> >> But it's also not recommended to contradict.
> >>
> >> Better would be to nod and say 'yes' to everything and shout 'f*** you'
> >> later.
> >>
> >> TH
> >
> > So tell us what you really think, How many planets are there in our
> > solar system?
> 
> No, but I can tell you where the sun doesn't shine.


Did you cut and paste that?


It's embarrassing isn't it?  When you just revealed that you are tooo
afraid to say how many planets
are in our own solar system. 

It better to keep it to yourself than let others know the cabal  does
your thinking for you...

and it's worse if you cut and paste their answers.

It's embarrassing.

 

They think, therefore you are.


lemmings.


ugh




-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, 
and challenge the unchallengeable.

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#890900

FromPhysfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com>
Date2025-01-25 13:04 -0600
Message-ID<vn3cjv$f679$1@solani.org>
In reply to#890897
On 1/25/25 11:44 AM, The Starmaker wrote:
> They think, therefore you are.


I like that. It can be taken as the definition of a cro-magnon human.

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